<p>That is a good point, emilybee. We will benefit from every other country’s flight bans.</p>
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<p>They would prefer charter, but the other other piece of the puzzle smartly refuses to engage in a major way, i.e., the charter companies, which are in business to make money, not sink their companies. The problem is if anyone knows that a charter company is using its planes this way, they would most likely pull their business in fear of using an infected plane later on. Even Frontier Airlines knew to pull their plane. Charter companies do not have that luxury of extra planes sitting around and cannot afford to pull aircraft of line for anything but maintenance issues.</p>
<p>That is why in the solution of leasing of the Boeing planes would use planes already scheduled to be taken out of service within the next 2 - 5 years (there are are at least 100 of those flying around commercially right now). You take those planes, make them dedicated ebola medical personnel and supply carriers that can fly for the next 5 - 10 years. And when done, destroy them, as they were going to be mothballed anyway. But in this case, they get completely destroyed and nothing reused.</p>
<h1>889 @Iglooo – that information is readily available on this thread and on google.</h1>
<p>^That information includes flight ban. So you and I agree. Let’s ban flights.</p>
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Perhaps there is other information you can find with some research that will answer your question about flight restrictions, but it seems your opinion is pretty well entrenched.</p>
<p>From what I can find, just about every country in Africa has some entry or travel restrictions in place which, combined with all but a couple of airliners continuing to fly out of the hot zones, will probably contribute greatly to limiting the ability of people from infected areas making it to the US. So we may not have to worry about hurting some peoples’ feelings by instituting restrictions ourselves.</p>
<p>That can change if I see any good argument against it. As I siad many times, the reasons are two,</p>
<h1>1. it impedes aids efforts.</h1>
<h1>2. It won’t do any good since people will find ways travel by brining or any other means.</h1>
<p>People came up many ways to moderate #1. The next step would be then someone saying why getting a charter plane or military plane or special travel pass for aid workers will be no good. Let’s hear it. No one came up with that yet. people just repeat the same reason. If you repeat the same reason ten times does it become 10 distict reasons?</p>
<p>About #2, I agree some people will find ways but it will stop the majority. It would have stopped Duncan, wouldn’t it? </p>
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<p>He is but one person, one voice, with one point of view - that does not mean he is right in everything he says. And just because someone has been somewhere does not mean their point of view makes sense for the rest of the world. You are free to follow him if you like, but that does not mean his suggestions are the end all and be all or even the best.</p>
<p>There is an inherent bias towards the care of patients and little concern for the effects on other nations’ economies. I respect and understand this bias and point of view, coming from a doctor. </p>
<p>However, another point-of-view is I am an US citizen and my first concern is not the economy of Liberia, but that of my fellow citizens and the protection of the economies of Dallas and other american cities and the jobs of american citizens. In the long-term, we could do a lot more to assist Liberia by making sure we do not stupidly damage ourselves first.</p>
<p>Again, as I said elsewhere, I thank frugaldoctor for what he is doing on person level to help ebola-stricken patients. </p>
<p>Reason #3, not to hurt their feelings. I agree to that as far as the cost remains low. One case may not merit an action. If there’s another tho, that should be reviewed. </p>
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<p>OK, since people are going to steal from the store anyway, no need to put electronic tags on the items to limit theft. Let’s do nothing, since we cannot stop all theft. Got it.</p>
<p>Focusing on economics over containment of the disease seems incredibly penny wise and pound foolish–just like cutting NIH funding for development of a vaccine for Ebola a decade ago.</p>
<p>“He is but one person, one voice, with one point of view - that does not mean he is right in everything he says.”</p>
<p>Aren’t you also a “one person”? Why should your opinion in these matters be trusted and not his? Not convincing enough for me. Please convince me. :)</p>
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<p>Indeed. If you follow people in power knows the best approach, we should shut up and follow Dr Friedan, asking no questions. I guess Vinson did just that, didn’t she?</p>
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<p>AW didn’t say to anyone to shut up and follow. S/he is expressing her/his opinion as entitled to just like you are. You read the posts and judge for yourself if there’s valid points or not. No one is asking her/his post be gospel of anything.</p>
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I don’t recall you saying, Igloo that your opinion should be trusted at all. Did I miss that?</p>
<p>Dr. Frieden has made either a fool or a liar of himself, or both, and should step down.</p>
<p>The hospital fires back at the CDC.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/16/presbyterian-fires-back-we-followed-cdc-guidelines/17345205/”>http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/10/16/presbyterian-fires-back-we-followed-cdc-guidelines/17345205/</a></p>
<p>Of course they would fire back! Remember the HAI saga? In their opinions, it was the CDC’s fault that the hospital administration let the handwashing and basic infection control slip to the point that hospital-bred bugs such as MRSA were killing patients. </p>
<p>I’m not saying the CDC handled everything perfectly - they underestimated the stupidity and unwillingness of hospitals to take precautions. But the hospital dropped the ball in a major, major way when they could not supply the nurses with proper PPE. </p>
<p>I’m sure frugaldoctor is an excellent physician, but no one person can determine the appropriate course of action and their ramifications in a global crises like this one. I appreciate the input of everyone here.</p>
<p>More on the Yale patient:</p>
<p><a href=“http://foxct.com/2014/10/16/yale-new-haven-hospital-evaluating-patient-with-ebola-like-symptoms/”>http://foxct.com/2014/10/16/yale-new-haven-hospital-evaluating-patient-with-ebola-like-symptoms/</a></p>
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Part of the CDC’s role is education and communication. Dr. Frieden has failed at that. Between the idiocy of his riding the bus statements, the errors in the protection guidelines highlighted by frugaldoctor and picked up across the media, the hypocrisy of saying one thing while doing another, etc. he has lost the public’s trust. You’re doing a heckuva job Tommy!</p>