<p>21-day qurantine for travelers will stop, too if you don’t like travel ban. Stopping Ebola in Africa will take time. So much to do there. Not just the infrastructure. People are bribing to keep corpses. You know how dangerous that is. </p>
<p>A travel ban will not stop the flow. But it will certainly make it impossible to track and isolate the sick.</p>
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<p><a href=“Ebola travel ban: Can U.S. just shut out the virus?”>http://www.freep.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/13/ebola-travel-ban-can-us-just-shut-virus/17182467/</a></p>
<p>You do understand the danger – to us – of collapsing nations.</p>
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<p>Great questions. And here are answers.</p>
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<li><p>There are decommissioned military bases all over the world, not in use, with dorms and barracks already set up. Chartered planes can get them there easy and they have dedicated runways too.</p></li>
<li><p>Location is best out of hot zone country, which adds a layer of safety and is better PR as well. </p></li>
<li><p>Paying for it is why it is imperative to limit the travel to essential medical personnel to keep costs down. And given this is a humanitarian crisis, then the UN could earmark a portion of its peacekeeper budget and humanitarian relief budgets to pay for the 21-day quarantine. The money for this is available.</p></li>
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<p>A competent exec could set this up in under 2-weeks: the planes, the quarantine areas, and supply runs and everything. There is no reason to be risking the general public inane non-hotzone country at all. That is a conscious choice to institute that risk but totally unnecessary. </p>
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<p>You easily can determine who by NOT issuing visas to get in a hot zone country in the first place!! Why this simple remedy befalls other is interesting to say the least. The only people who get visas out are medical personnel on charter flights and other people who have gone through a 21-day quarantine, which they can pay for if they want to leave.</p>
<p>"You easily can determine who by NOT issuing visas to get in a hot zone country in the first place!! "</p>
<p>That would be outside of the US jurisdiction. The US does not issue visas to its citizens to travel abroad; the foreign countries do - in this case, it would be Liberia’s call.</p>
<p>They are building hospitals. They will have this under control before the nations collapse. How big is their international trade any way ?</p>
<p>“1. There are decommissioned military bases all over the world, not in use, with dorms and barracks already set up. Chartered planes can get them there easy and they have dedicated runways too.”</p>
<p>Wow. Spoken like a true QA person. Have you ever been to a Liberia-like third world country? It will be impossible to round up all the sick to get them to these leper islands? How would you do this? Use military force? Start a war with Liberia?</p>
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<p>Hum… let’s see:</p>
<p>Can people leave on commercial planes that are not flying? No.</p>
<p>Can people leave on boats which are not sailing,? No.</p>
<p>Can people leave on boats if the harbors are shut down? No.</p>
<p>Can people leave inland via roads that have been closed by their neighboring countries? No. </p>
<p>Remember that neighboring countries have already CLOSED their borders, airways and roads down tight. There can be no mass exodus. The neighboring countries have already stopped pretty much every anyone from coming in their countries already.</p>
<p>Will some people get through? Sure, just like some people leave Cuba, but so what. A few is no big deal. </p>
<p>However, it is a straw man to say there is some way a mass exodus could just leave, so no travel ban would be effective. But, anyone is free to believe that nonsense if he wants.</p>
<p>Plus, the neighboring fellow African countries would institute a shoot on sight anyway. The people in other African countries are not stupid, as they do not want to make their own citizens sick.</p>
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<p>Nothing of consequence. Anyway, I believe Nigeria is the leader in oil production in the area and it CLOSED their borders and banned travel etc, to protect their industry and citizens.</p>
<p>Iglooo, a physicist at Northeastern developed a computer model to study the effect of a travel ban. You might want to take a look:</p>
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<p><a href=“Ebola Is Coming. A Travel Ban Won't Stop Outbreaks”>http://www.forbes.com/sites/jvchamary/2014/10/13/ebola-travel/</a></p>
<p>The only way to keep ourselves safe is to keep West Africa safe.</p>
<p>ETA --Their international trade isn’t big compared to ours, but it’s everything to them. Collapsed nations are a threat to the whole world. See Afghanistan circa 2000.</p>
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<p>I never said the US issues visas, so please do not add that to my statement. I simply said stop issuing visas.</p>
<p>Problem solved by one statement to Liberia and other hot zone countries -“You want our assistance, stop issuing visas pronto!” </p>
<p>It seems lost on people that beggars and people who cannot help themselves do not have convenience of being choosey.</p>
<p>The countries are sovereign nations, We cannot mandate or enforce that they stamp passports–who would have the authority to enforce that in another nation? We don’t currently even stamp when people exit and enter the US! We cannot dictate to other countries that they MUST or MUST NOT stamp passports and ENFORCE it. We have NO authority to do so. We can choose to issue or not issue visas, but there are many already issued.</p>
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<p>I was not remotely referring to rounding up Liberians and shipping them elsewhere. </p>
<p>I was answering in relation to the 21-day quarantining of medical personnel who are flown into assist and are now leaving. Similar to what the military will be doing with its personnel. </p>
<p>For the record, I am not a QA person, but I do hire them. </p>
<p>What about others who have valid visas? Who will care for folks in quarantine, if they need medical care? Who pays for food and other essentials? What about folks who are NOT workers or not from the US? What rights do we have to quarantine them? Won’t this be a huge disincentive for folks who want to work in the “hot spots” to serve, if they know they will have to be shipped to one of these facilities, who knows where?</p>
<p>Again, a huge issue is how anyone can KNOW for certain which folks have been in “hot” areas and for how long and how recently? What if they make their way to a non-hot country and claim they have been there all along? How do you prove/disprove? Have already read from frugal doctor how bribery and corruption is rife in the area and this will just make another black market with much higher stakes.</p>
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<p>This is not an issue of authority. </p>
<p>The US does this all the time to sovereign nations, i.e, making aid contingent on certain in country policies. In fact, our State Department threatened to pull aid from Uganda (a sovereign nation) if it did not reverse its gay marriage policies. Some countries defy the threat and some countries cave, but this idea that we do not strong-arm misses how the game is played on the world stage. </p>
<p><a href=“Uganda Slapped With Aid Cuts Over Anti-gay Law”>http://www.mintpressnews.com/uganda-slapped-aid-cuts-anti-gay-law/180680/</a></p>
<p>What I am saying is we can make it contingent on giving aid that those countries stop issuing visas and shut down travel by people who have not had a mandatory 21-day quarantine. It is up to the hot zone countries to decide if they want the aid or not or keep issuing visas and get no aid.</p>
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<p>Simple - declare the visas invalid and do not accept them. The US and other countries do this all the time to diplomats who have valid visas, but who are now persona non-grata.</p>
<p>We are not helpless to what exists. It seems that many people live in an existence where they think they cannot change things and must just follow. The reality is pretty much everything can be changed when necessary, especially things causing major disruptions.</p>
<p>How do you deal with the rife bribery and corruption in the countries that are “hot spots” where you can pay officials to do or not do what you want, and people will pay to not be considered having been in a “hot zone”? Frugal Doctor described this upthread.</p>
<p>Lying and bribery is already occurring. This will simply ramp it up and make it ever harder to detect what the true risks are and attempt to stratify them so we can use resources wisely.</p>
<p>Passenger from Nigeria vomited and died on flight to NYC. CDC met plane and after cursory exam determined it was not ebola, according to the article. There is considerable mistrust of CDC’s handling of the situation to date at this point, so not all passengers were convinced that CDC could tell after a cursory exam that the passenger did not have ebola.</p>
<p><a href=“Ebola scare: Man dies on trans-Atlantic flight to JFK after vomiting — RT USA News”>http://rt.com/usa/196696-ebola-newyork-vomiting-plane/</a></p>
<p>The Nigerian who arrived yesterday in Madrid via Paris from Lagos has test positive for malaria, negative for ebola.</p>
<p>I pray all these ill people here can recover. On the other hand, I really fear for so many in West Africa.</p>
<p>This was just mentioned on tv news.
One of Duncan’s healthcare workers is in isolation, no symptoms, on a CRUISE SHIP.
They are “working to get her back” - just hoping she is not infected.</p>
<p>Edit: this seems to be someone who handled specimens, so I hope this means the exposure risk was low.</p>
<p>Was the thought process something like this? “I’m being monitored for possible Ebola symptoms. I think I’ll take a cruise!!!”</p>
<p>^^^^^More likely, “I’ve had this cruise planned and paid for for a year, I’m fine, I’m going.”</p>
<p>Probably much like Amber’s mentality. </p>
<p>Just boggles the mind, really does.</p>