<p>Preliminary tests show the Yale student DOES NOT have Ebola.</p>
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<p>Nigeria doesn’t have an active Ebola outbreak anymore, so I’m not surprised if it’s malaria. OTOH malaria rarely kills this quickly. Maybe he had a heart attack or stroke. At any rate, this guy, if it was malaria, would have been running a temp before he got on the plane. How’d that happen?</p>
<p>BTW they say the cruise ship is stuck at sea right now as the regular cruise ports don’t want it docking there. Can’t blame them - they depend on tourism and any Ebola scare would destroy their economies.</p>
<p><a href=“In Layers of Gear, Offering Healing Hand to Ebola Patients in Liberia - The New York Times”>In Layers of Gear, Offering Healing Hand to Ebola Patients in Liberia - The New York Times;
<p>Watch the videos of properly putting on and taking off PPE as done on the front lines treating Ebola. I know for a fact there is no hospital in this country equipped to take on this task. I would not be surprised if more from Texas are not infected. </p>
<p>I have taken care of TB,HIV/AIDS patients, and many other infectious diseases in the past, we NEVER have worn or disinfected as done in these videos.</p>
<p>No wonder these nurses are furious.</p>
<p>Belize tv news is reporting that the lab tech on board the cruise ship (apparently not a nurse) is exhibiting “symptoms.”
Of course people puke on ships all the time, so it doesn’t necessarily mean this person has Ebola, but there was definitely a possibility of exposure.</p>
<p>I thought this was an interesting commentary that some of you might find a worthwhile read.
<a href=“COMMENTARY: Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola | CIDRAP”>http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola</a></p>
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<p>Thanks for the link @samlamy. I am frustrated at Ebola being compared to AIDS on another thread. It is not like anything else we have dealt with before. </p>
<p>Something else I recall from working with isolation patients and the gloves. I know in our hospital the hand sanitizers our hospital used at the entrances of every room would compromise the integrity(broke down the latex) of the gloves. I know it caused a huge issue at the hospital I worked.</p>
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And that is just magical thinking. Humanitarian aid is one thing, but keeping the virus from coming to new places is the whole point of quarantine. Eradicating the virus in West Africa is, of course, the most important thing, but keeping as many people from moving around while infected is also critically important. It is just ludicrous to say that allowing this disease to spread is not dangerous. Stopping the spread helps everyone, particularly the most at risk populations.</p>
<p>^No, it seems to be highly contagious Far more than AIDS. With AIDS, one can exchange body fluids with infected person and not contract it. With Ebola, it seems almost a certainty.</p>
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<p>There’s so much we don’t know about Ebola. And we also are not sure if the gov is looking after the public’s best interest or their own self-interest. CDC certainly seemed more interested in not getting into trouble than taking care of the welfare of the public. Calling it paranoia or hysteria or plain stupidity seems arrogant. The only thing we know of Ebola so far,</p>
<p>No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities
A high case-fatality rate
Unclear modes of transmission</p>
<p>N95 filtering face masks, these have to be fit tested, if you are female with a smaller face, it does not filter properly. </p>
<p>This is all that is used in hospitals, the hood/respirators are not. Now perhaps it will change. </p>
<p>I foresee, if this is an outbreak, specialized hospital will be needed treating only this disease. There is no way around it. </p>
<p>If the likes of Emory etc. only have 3-4 dedicated beds that they feel competent to effectively care for Ebola patients, it puts the disease into perspective, we are NOT equipped to take care of it at a local level.</p>
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<p>Actually we can by asking nicely. Why do you think they are screening for temperature? Stamping isn’t the only way anyway. They can stop issuing visas. NTSB knows how to track the origin of the travel. Probably a byproduct of screening terrorists. They probably know travelers originating from terrorist countries. They just have to switch the countries they watch.</p>
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<p>Yes it really does boggle the mind. It makes you wonder who else decided to self-monitor while traveling about the country.</p>
<p>So let’s say it can be done and we will stop 80% of the travelers from the affected area. What are the reasons not to?</p>
<p>The first two reasons are debunked; Impedes international aids efforts - can allow them visas/hire a charter plane, etc. It won’t stop them all - It will stop 80% and it will be good enough. According to a study Las Ma posted stopping 80% travelers will reduce the likelihood of the disease transmission to 25% from 75%. I will take that any day. Let’s not bring up these two reasons again.</p>
<p>The remaining two reasons so far I’ve heard, One from bay not to hurt their feelings. That will probably have to go if we get another case of Ebola arriving from West Africa. </p>
<p>The last one suggested by Las Ma, the ban will lead to collapse of those countries and uncontrollable refuge population. spilling over. I don’t think we need to worry about spilling over. There was no spilling over from Gaza strip. Was there? It is still not nice to cause a collapse. But would it really cause them to collapse? Are there really much exports from those countries that will be affected by the ban of human travel? What fraction of their GDP comes from international trade? I never hear of any exports from those countries.</p>
<p>If the disease isn’t stopped, the governments will collapse anyway. Quarantining and slowing the spread is the only way.</p>
<p>Yes, it could be a sinking ship. Should you tether yourself to a sinking ship or try to buoy it up untethered? I will say it will be more effective if we keep ourselves safe and keep our economy not affected by Ebola. </p>
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<p>If it has to be fitted, how do you expect every hospital in the country be properly equipped? It’s like custom tailoring lab suits. The hood/repirators were not in the protocol drawn up by CDC.</p>
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<p>I agree. I don’t know what kind of idiot could imagine that’s the way to go.</p>
<p>Good grief! Every morning this news just get worse and worse and the CDC seems like dumb and dumber. Didn’t they tell the Texas Pres workers to STAY HOME!! DO NOT GO OUT INTO PUBLIC!! And that HCW, like Amber Vinson is just dumb and dumber too. They should have known. Quarantine is not vacation time.</p>
<p>Good for Belize for not letting that HCW disembark. Good for Cornell for not allowing its students and faculty to go to Liberia, Sierra Leone or Guinea. </p>
<p>Anyone going to those countries now (except medical help) is just stupid and foolish. </p>
<p>No, CDC didn’t tell them not to travel. Should they have known? I don’t know. </p>
<p>Iglooo, don’t you get it? If it’s not stopped at the source, it’s going to engulf the globe. Even a worldwide groundstop would only slow it down. And BTW, give it the chance to mutate into an airborne virus before it gets here.</p>