Seeking perspective: Right program, wrong tuition

Hello! First time parents going through the college process here. While I know that every decision is unique to each family, I find it so helpful to hear perspective from other parents on their approach to the financial piece of the college decision. I would be grateful if anyone grappling with similar decisions would feel comfortable sharing how you have approached the situation, or even just sharing solidarity.

Our son has been looking at some specific programs in Professional Golf Management. They are an incredible match for his interests - co-op, 100% job placement, AND these programs really wrap around the students with support from adults which our son really needs for the academic piece of his life. He narrowed down those programs to two Big Ten schools and got into both - Nebraska and Penn State. Needless to say, there is an insane disparity in cost ($35K (after some merit) vs. $60K OOS all in).

Our son has visited both, and feels a pull to be closer to home at Penn State (we live in Ohio), and obviously Penn State has a campus and reputation that’s hard to compete with. Penn State would be completely off the table if it were not for this program. We won’t qualify for financial aid, so CAN we do it? Sure, with a little creativity and sacrifice. But SHOULD we do it is an entirely different question that keeps me up at night. Nebraska is not off the table, but I can tell he is really uncomfortable with the distance and we can’t force it. He has also been accepted to some other (affordable) schools in a more traditional sports management track, so he has that as a back up as well.

Anyone else grappling with right fit academically and socially but wrong tuition? Thank you in advance!

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Yes, we did, and my kid went with the cheaper option.

That said, his major was not specialized at all and his plans for post grad education meant that no debt was a major consideration.

I honestly can’t speak to your son’s career path and how critical a component this particular major would be. I’m hoping someone else can weigh in on that.

If you want specifics of my kid’s options and decision making, I’m happy to provide them (but I know lots of people on CC are tired of reading about Bama, lol, so I will PM you if you like).

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I know it’s a little late…but did you consider Coastal Carolina for this major? Their regular decision deadline is FEB 1.

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We went with the cheaper option. It is a nice feeling to have a financial cushion. It makes all the extras (study abroad, plane tickets, spending money) stress free. It means we can pay for grad school if he chooses that. It means we can help with a down payment on a house if he needs that. Also we have a younger child, and we hoped to keep things fair, so spending a lot on the first would have set a stressful precedent. We imagined paying the tuition (a 60K school means writing out a $30,000 check twice a year for 4 years.)

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For that cost difference you can fly your son home any time he wants ; )

IMO, PSU is not worth the sacrifice.

We have some young people in our circle who went to the more expensive option. It meant loans for both parents and the student. They are now living at home to try to pay off the debt which definitely limited job possibilities. They weren’t able to study abroad, often have to skip out traveling with friends, dining out, etc… They would have had the same job outcome/salary at the less expensive option. And the parents are stressed too - staying in jobs they don’t love and feeling a lot of financial pressure as they near retirement. And those are the lucky kids who found jobs in their fields.

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Will either require loans? This is a personal decision specific to your situation, perhaps looking at the total numbers could offer some perspective.

PSU: $240,000 total cost
Nebraska: $140,000 total cost

According to Indeed:
The national average entry level golf mgt position is ~$45k
The national average golf course GM salary is ~$60k
The national average director salary is ~$80k

We have a student who needed to consider fit above all else; we gave financial parameters which spelled out a total we were willing to spend. No loans was one of those parameters; thankfully she’s adhering to that. She was born with a lot of challenges, so we didn’t want to add to those with the extra weight of loans. Again, it’s a very personal decision.

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The other thing to consider is whether a highly specialized major gives significant advantage in employment in this area, versus a more general major. If not, then a wider choice of colleges that offer suitable general majors can be considered.

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When counseling high school students considering loans, I tell them that they can safely plan to take out loans totaling the equivalent of an average salary in their intended field. So, a teacher who can earn 70K/yr in their state? 70K total in loans. A doctor who can expect to earn 350K/yr, eventually? 350K in loans. You can factor in the money that the parents gift towards the child’s education, but does it really make sense to spend as much as seven times the anticipated annual salary on the student’s college education?

We’re really looking at the value of the education. Sure, there are other factors involved - and a fraction of the money not spent on the more expensive option can be used to ameliorate the disadvantages of the less expensive option.

If the programs will both provide what he needs, I’d most definitely go with the 35K/yr option. The 100K that you save can pay for visits back and forth, and extras to make his time there more comfortable.

Do golf club managers really need to have such specific bachelor degrees? Aren’t these jobs that can come about from promotion from within, and once you’ve demonstrated that you can do the job, all that matters is your work record? Wouldn’t a degree in business/sports mgmt from a local state U while working at local golf clubs (which I suspect he’s already doing) provide the same opportunity, at a fraction of the cost?

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Personal decision.

I don’t think anyone should put themselves at risk financially. And for many college costs more than they say - Greek life, travel, late night munchies.

That said, I’m a fan of less expensive, especially for fields that don’t deliver high salaries and golf course management is a very low paying field.

As for distance, If you’re away, you’re away.

Many kids get homesick.

That doesn’t matter if it’s 3 hrs drive or a flight they are away from mom for the first time.

But budget is, in my opinion, the first line of defense. You need that b4 even selecting schools to apply. Most know PSU gives no merit etc so the cost shouldn’t be a surprise. But then maybe it needed to be - can only consider if got money.

Some are willing to pay more or even anything for their kids. Others aren’t.

Only you can decide but I’d lean against given your discomfort and that $100k is a huge difference and likely 2.5 years worth of income.

But I’m not you.

And I wish you luck. It’s never easy but once you make the decision, go for it and don’t look back.

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Does this student have any other pending applications?

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A few things as a parent that I would be thinking about:

Is it worth the savings to send you child to a school where they will not be happy?
If program/school doesn’t work out - the cost to transfer most likely will be more expensive to make up credits etc.
What are the other options - plenty of kids majors and focus change?
Are their schools that offer the broader mgmt degree that work for both of you?
Does your kid hustle - ie: no matter where he goes, will he be out there shadowing and getting internships?
You not feeling financial stress is important - and having a little wiggle room could allow you to help you child upon graduation or support him over a summer for him to have unpaid internships - or both!

To me, it sounds like both schools are out and I would be looking to see what the other accepted schools offer.

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My opinion…why isn’t this kid looking at colleges where golfing can be done year round…with opportunities to intern or work…year round?

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We went with cheaper options for both our kids. It’s ok to have a budget and the average student applying to college isn’t going to fully think through the upside of having parents with a generous emergency fund and well funded retirement.

If he needs to be closer to home at a cheaper price we might be digging for other options including out of the box degree paths for that major.

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I wondered myself when I saw Ms State or FGCU (easy to get to) also on the PGA list (same list that includes PSU and Nebraska) and while we don’t know student stats, they both have fantastic costs after merit.

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I’m going to guess that this student (or parents) want a larger university experience. Perhaps @ethome02 will clarify whether these are the only two options, and if so…why.

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The issue of whether to attend the more expensive university or the less expensive university comes up a lot. This is a very common choice to be made.

Students often under-appreciate their in-state public universities. Lots of other students are going there from their high school. It might be perceived as boring. However, we as parents cannot expect our 17 year old or 18 year old high school seniors to understand the consequences of taking on debt, or of using up the college fund and finding themselves unable to afford graduate school (such as a master’s degree which are often not funded, or any other unfunded graduate program).

Also, there is some flexibility in most programs. If a student is particularly interested in a particular sub-field of their major or a related field, they can often take some extra courses in that sub-field. This will depend upon the course being offered by whatever university they attend. A closely related major plus extra courses (whether an official minor or not) can often be good for starting a career – for example I started off as a software engineer in spite of having a degree in mathematics (with multiple CS courses just taken as “something I found interesting”).

My wife and I set a hard limit on the cost of university and insisted that the kids had to stick to it. This was what we could handle without any debt at all (with a margin just in cases things went for 5 years, but we did not admit this to the kids).

My oldest was not happy. Two of the schools that she was accepted to (NEU and BU) did not fit the budget. She went somewhere that did meet the budget, and four years later graduated with no debt (after ironically switching to a major that neither NEU nor BU offer – large animals are not common on university campuses in a big city). Then she graduated and got a “dream job” that she absolutely loved, that led to a second job, that helped her with her applications to a dream graduate program (she is currently studying for a DVM – and will probably specialize in large animals). That first “dream job” was both great fun and got her working with large animals in a very good environment for her. But it paid badly – she could only take it because she had no debt at all. She has more recently thanked me for not letting her take on debt for her bachelor’s degree.

There are significant advantages of having a student graduate with no debt. One is that the student is likely be be able to be self sufficient sooner after graduation. Also some job opportunities might be available for a recent graduate with no debt that would be tougher to handle if the student does have debt.

Depending upon major there can also in some cases be an advantage if the student graduates with a bachelor’s degree and with the parents still able to help them with a subsequent graduate degree.

To add: Students also frequently change their major. If a student wants golf management right now, this does not necessarily guarantee that they will still want it four years from now. Sports management plus an internship or summer job at a golf course might be a reasonable option. But a student starting off with this might end up with a major in environmental sciences, or marketing, or finance, or something entirely different. We all learn and grow as we make through university and life, and many of us change our major along the way.

But yes, “cost versus university and program” is a very common issue.

And different families might have very different financial constraints.

And I think that this can be a tough decision for many of us.

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I agree with a lot of the advice that’s been given already. But if your son is really interested in this PGA program but he’s concerned about the distance from home, has he considered Ferris State (Michigan) or Eastern Kentucky? Both of these will likely come in at or below the cost of Nebraska, but be significantly closer to home.

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Thank you for sharing! I think even with his specialized career path (and who knows if it sticks), you raise a good point that the more expensive school is not critical to the major. The less expensive one has just as good of a program. His earning potential in the field would not be enough to justify the more expensive one either. So no debt is important.

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I was hopeful for this one too - not to mention the climate! He is gravitating to larger schools. I might revisit this idea tonight with him.

1000% feel this - we have a younger child also that will overlap which is a huge consideration.

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