Selecting colleges for uninspired student

<p>Our son has a very high IQ, but doesn’t use it to his best advantage. Starting in elementary school, he refused to enter the recommended honors program because he didn’t want to leave his friends for separate classes; this finally relucantly changed starting in middle school. </p>

<p>Throughout high school (and entire school career), he has never received a grade lower than a B, and two years received straight As on the semester system at his high school. He’s always been on the principal’s honor roll and sometimes district-wide honor roll for straight As. He’s been in National Honor Society two years, but has only been involved in a couple ECs outside of that. He has always said he studies better “at the last minute,” and for high school this method has apparently worked well enough, as his memory is very good. (For college, that approach will not work well). He only very rarely does any homework besides what is absolutely required, although he is never one to skip or miss assignments. With honors and AP classes he studies on average 30 minutes to 1-1/2 hours a night, with 45 minutes being more of an average. He rarely reads the text and instead uses provided study sheets, notes, and sometimes only his memory when studying for tests. He uses the texts only to answer questions. In other words, he only does what he HAS to do. </p>

<p>I know this may not be uncommon, but it’s frustrating because he definitely has the intelligence to have gotten into Ivy League schools if he had studied more and become more involved in ECs. </p>

<p>Good GPA at 3.8 unweighted, 4.2 weighted. He took the SAT twice, but refused to study for either test, only looking at the “study tips” for about an hour, and we couldn’t afford an SAT class or tutor. SAT scores for CR and Math were 1200 combined. National Honor Society. Straight As sophomore and junior year and upward trend in terms of grades and challenge all four years. He has not taken advantage of as many AP classes as his friends (often taking the easier route by selecting Honors instead) and will only have 3 APs by time of graduation, although the majority of the time took Honors. He did exceed the requirement on our state testing required for graduation, which insures him free tuition at any of our state universities. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining about his grades (!), but yes, I am frustrated he hasn’t been more inspired and always sought the easy route in terms of homework, etc. I was more book smart (had to study hard) and he’s more inherently smart, so it’s difficult for me to see him not use all his talents. </p>

<p>Following the same theme, he’s said until recently he only wanted to go to an in-state school (our best in-state school is ranked in the 90’s in U.S. News & World Report and all our state schools as known to be heavy on partying.) Just a few days ago he indicated he wants to apply to more selective schools and go out of state, but I’m concerned whether he has what he takes, given his relaxed attitude and scores. I do think he’ll be in for a shock if he doesn’t change his study techniques when going off to college. </p>

<p>One more thing – when selecting schools for consideration, he seems quite fickle. Examples: Doesn’t want to go to school in a neighboring state because he doesn’t like the people there, doesn’t like this or that city (and has never been there), NYC is “dirty” so won’t go there (has never been there), talks about heading to a particular school only once a friend mentions their interest in it, etc. </p>

<p>We love him dearly, but he’s hard to read at times! Should we be counseling him more on college selection (we’ve been helpful all along) or just stay out of things? He’s a great kid, never partied, every parent’s dream, but just hasn’t applied all his talents and we want to make sure he’s properly placed in college. Thanks for reading this long note!</p>

<p>To me his profile screams “get me into an LAC”!</p>

<p>With that GPA and solid SATs (solid by real-world standards, not CC) he could get into, say Gettysburg maybe?</p>

<p>MSUDad – First of all, thanks for your patience in reading my long post. </p>

<p>Can you explain more why you thought his profile “screams” LAC? I’d love more detail. </p>

<p>Also, although he is reluctant to declare a major at this point, he has mentioned pharmacy school quite a bit over the last couple years. Is an LAC still good if he settles on a professional program like pharmacy or eventually applies to medical school?</p>

<p>In my experience as an employer I simply find too many uninspired kids coming out of the large universities. It is very easy to simply take a bunch of classes, acquire nothing of worth, and get a degree.</p>

<p>Much harder to sneak through an LAC, where all your teachers are profs, you have them for more than one class (some downside to that) and they are more likely to care about your individual growth.</p>

<p>As far as pharmacy major goes, I don’t know anything about that.</p>

<p>You described my oldest child and I agree with MSUDad, an LAC would be a very good choice. At an LAC they are much more likely to become inspired in small classes where they aren’t just a number as they might be in many classes at a large U. Profs will have talks with the kids who appear not to be on top of things. The small classes are more likely to demand that the reading is done as everyone needs to contribute to classroom discussion. </p>

<p>This approach really worked for my smart but lazy oldest. By sophomore year he was honestly engaged. We attended a “colleges That Change Lives” fair (there is also a book by the same name) and found many schools there that sound like they will meet your son’s needs.</p>

<p>Thanks to both of you. I attended Northwestern and found the majority of my classes were small, so of course I panicked whenever my kids spoke of state schools and huge classes. NU would be a stretch for my son and quite difficult on the quarter system. I never thought of that same type of experience at a great LAC! Thanks for the suggestions. We’re talking of colleges this weekend, so I’ll suggest he check out some LACs.</p>

<p>IMHO a kid with a “very high IQ” ought to do a lot better than 1200 on the CR/Math parts of the SAT even without any studying. (Unless, of course, he was so lackadaisical that he didn’t even try to do well once in the test.) It actually sounds to me as if he is performing pretty well for a bright, but not outstandingly so, kid. His grades, courses, and SATs seem to be fairly in line. </p>

<p>Nevertheless, assuming that you know him better than random strangers on the internet, and that you have some evidence to believe that he is underachieving, I agree with the LAC suggestion. Your S needs to go to school somewhere where he will not be able to disappear into the woodwork. I don’t know about pharmacy programs: I think they tend to be more common at large schools. I’d suggest a place such as The College of Wooster, where all students do a senior thesis. If that doesn’t wake him up, I don’t know what will.</p>

<p>I am going to switch gears here and suggest that he not go to college right out of high school. He needs to work for awhile and discover for himself why education is important and why he might want to work for it. Just my 2 cents.</p>

<p>I agree with Shennie. There’s nothing quite like working in a noisy and dirty factory for near minimum wage with a high school dropout as your boss to convince you that it might be smart to take college seriously.</p>

<p>I would agree with your son, NYC is incredibly dirty. I wouldn’t want to go to college there either.</p>

<p>Hi everyone. Thanks for your replies and suggestions. I didn’t mean to infer (as one person speculated) that my son has a genius I.Q., but it’s well above average. He’s not a slacker, especially given his GPA, National Honor Society, and award of free tuition at our state schools due to high test scores on state tests. </p>

<p>The students on CC are very high achievers and he hasn’t pushed himself to be at that level. As parents, we’ve always been very supportive and he’s done very well, but there’s only so much we can do and the rest is definitely up to him.</p>

<p>An LAC seems like a great bet, but probably not if he still thinks of pursuing pharmacy. He has a great college counselor at his school and I’m sure she’ll be able to help him with his decision as well. </p>

<p>Thanks again.</p>

<p>^ A friendly tip: watch your terminology. “Very high IQ” and other such terms will be defined by CC standards whether you do or not.</p>

<p>That said, I nth the suggestions of an LAC. If your S is willing to do pharmacy post-BA (isn’t this the norm anyway?) an LAC shouldn’t be a problem. It could even be a boon if he does research while he’s there, since the opportunities will be more easily available (at a major university, there may be more absolute opportunities but also more competition and will require more proactiveness on the student’s part).</p>