Senior Awards Rants

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<p>The “benefit” is being recognized publicly in front of (one more time) a bunch of kids who are irrelevant to your kid’s life and whom he or she will never see again the day after high school graduation! I don’t WANT my kid thinking that that is an important benefit in and of itself, any more than I want my kid thinking that it’s important to want to be homecoming queen. Nice if it happens, but not the point. </p>

<p>I want mine putting their heads down and focusing on where they want to go and doing the things that get them to those places. Places that are worthwhile places to go in and of themselves.</p>

<p>^^“never see again”?</p>

<p>Don’t know about you, but my kids have all stayed in touch with at least a few HS friends.</p>

<p>As a parent, I enjoyed seeing other kids honored whether I knew them or not. Glad for students I had known since they were toddlers, practically, and glad for students I didn’t know except by reputation, as they were written up in the local news for starting a major fundraiser for cancer, or children in Haiti, or whatever. Glad for all of them.</p>

<p>My kid was smart, but he didn’t do anything like the major fundraisers some of these students ran, so there you go.</p>

<p>You mean major fundraisers that the other students’ parents ran.</p>

<p>Yes, I expect the bulk of them they’ll never see again. Most of these kids are going to go to our directional state u’s and won’t ever leave the Chicago area. Which is fine, and I wish them all well, but I explicitly want my kids to have the perspective that the world is their oyster. I do anticipate they’ll stay in touch with their handful of close friends. But I’m of the personal belief that a handful of close friends is worth far more than a bunch of acquaintances.</p>

<p>And I agree – it’s a lot easier to be glad when your knowledge is confined to what’s being announced on stage – “hey, they just announced that Timmy started a fundraiser for kids in Haiti, good for Timmy!” – than it is to be consumed with all this seething fury that you just know that Jimmy deserved this award more than Timmy because you’ve made it your business to know all about what Jimmy and Timmy do with themselves.</p>

<p>^^lol…Objective.</p>

<p>You have no idea, Objective (and you seem to be misnamed, because you are obviously not.)</p>

<p>These kids organized everything themselves, got their friends to participate in, for instance, a volleyball game “for the cure” that required sponsors, t-shirts, and so forth. I have no doubt the parents advised them, but these kids are go-getters who have actually learned valuable lessons in business by organizing these events.</p>

<p>Maybe things are different in your area. You seem cynical.</p>

<p>To put it another way - my kids are looking at and have visited and plan to apply to some great colleges that most of the other kids won’t even have heard of. <em>I</em> know these are great schools. Should my kids care that other kids won’t “recognize” these places, that they wouldn’t know, say, Haverford or Bryn Mawr from a hole in the wall? Heck, I’m going to bet half the faculty doesn’t know those places either. Is that of any importance in their decision-making? Recognition from others isn’t anywhere near as important as the actual accomplishment that went on, IMO. Winning the state athletic championship is more important than being publicly recognized on senior night for having won the state athletic champion. Being the team captain is more important than being publicly recognized on senior night for being a team captain.</p>

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<p>That is so true!!! I think the local scholarships are awards for the Student Who Can Somewhow Still Write Essays Once She Has Completed the Appication Process. Last year year, one girl won three and I thought “good for her for going through all that trouble.”</p>

<p>I made Son get an application for our local elementary school PTA $500 scholarship. It required more essays and was more comlicated than any college application he completed! No way was I going to try to make him write three entirely new essays in March of his Senior year.</p>

<p>I should not share this story, but it does give some insight into this whole process. DH started a local West Point society and the group decided that it would start a leadership award for HS seniors. The guy who volunteered to take charge, charged off on his own and took the easy route just sending a letter to guidance offices (we have 14 HSs in the county) asking for a name from each school. In-charge man also decided on his own that each recipient would get a $250 award. </p>

<p>Thank goodness, only three schools sent names (the society is not established enough to have that kind of money to hand out). DH went to the local high school to recognize its awardee. Later, one of my friends (whom I love but thinks her wonderful kid should get all the awards) said, “Why didn’t [my kid] get that award?” I asked what she knew about the girl who did get the award and the daughter (who is a really great kid) kind of made a face. Apparently, she didn’t know of anything the girl had done. I asked where the awardee was going to college and found out that she is heading to the local community college, which is where about half of the local kids start.</p>

<p>When my DH went to give the award, the guidance counselor gushed about what a nice girl the awardee was. The problem, of course, was that the guidance counselor liked the kid and thought she should get something. Our family donated the $250 award to the society and quite frankly, I would have rather written it to my friend’s daughter.</p>

<p>What is my point? You just never know what goes in to these ceremonies and awards.</p>

<p>In most cases, the people making the awards decisions are good people who are trying to do something nice for kids. However, what I’d like to challenge are some underlying assumptions or biases I’ve noted that seem to govern the awarding of honors in school.</p>

<p>One of these biases is that the obviously hard-working kid is more deserving than the kid that achieves the same or better result in a manner that appears to require less effort. Teacher really appreciate diligence, and rightly so. But I’d like to suggest that one reason some of you have noticed that girls tend to get more awards than boys is that girls tend to do a better job of looking like sweet, hard-working kids. One reason is that they don’t lose social capital by being sweet and asking for help. Boys are socialized differently, as evidenced by men’s reluctance to ask for directions, lol!</p>

<p>No teacher is omniscient, and as such has no right to assume anything based on outward appearances. There are kids who work very hard but don’t excel, but in a rigorous school system no one excels unless s/he works very hard. A student who reads ahead in the textbook, studies his class notes every night, begins preparing for exams well in advance of the date, and is generally extremely diligent can make it look like it comes easy for him or her. My youngest is a special education student who has been recently mainstreamed. In preparation for a big unit test this week, she began studying last week and over the long weekend. Therefore, when the class did a review game on Tuesday, she knew a lot of the answers that smarter kids didn’t. Unlike her, they are able to study the night before and still ace the test. If you concluded that remembering historical facts comes easier to my daughter, you’d be completely wrong. So if, despite the fact that she achieved the highest grade in the class, you awarded a prize to the kids who never knew the answers at first but then must have studied really hard and pulled slightly lower A’s anyway, you’d be making a mistake.</p>

<p>Teachers LOVE when kids come early to school or stay after to ask questions and seek help. I understand that, but if Cayla has to babysit her sister before and after school, she won’t be doing that. It doesn’t mean she’s not as interested or isn’t trying as hard. In D’s high school, the AP calculus teacher is not a great educator. Some kids have figured out that if you want help in AP Calc., the person to go to is the AP Physics teacher. So imagine how unfair it would be if the calc teacher had two top students, but gave the award to the one who appeared to care more about the subject as evidenced by the fact that she came after school for his help. Meanwhile, the other student cared just as much and was also seeking help–just not from him.</p>

<p>Finally, even if a student actually does have higher achievments with less effort, how is that his fault and why should he be penalized? If he can earn a 100% on a test by studying a half an hour and without going for help, why should he study for 3 hours and stay after school to see the teacher? Seems to me that would be a waste of everyone’s time.</p>

<p>Secondly, I’d like to challenge the preference for the supposedly unrewarded underdog. Many on this board are more indignant over the thought that the kid just below the top achiever might go unrecognized, than you are thinking about a top achiever going unrecognized. Why? It seems that you all assume that the kid one notch below is trying just as hard or more so, but is obscured by the star’s shadow. How do you know that’s a true representation of the situation? Speaking of D’s sports team, I can tell you that some talented girls don’t achieve as much as they could because when cute boys are in the trainer’s office, they fake a pain so they can skip their workout and go in there too and flirt. When they’re supposed to be on a long run, they stop in at a friend’s home near the high school and play Guitar Hero for a while instead of running. In general, they don’t achieve as much because they don’t work as hard or sacrifice as much. What the coach doesn’t know when he overlooks the top achiever to reward the underdog, is that the underdog often came to Saturday meets tired because she stayed out late at Friday night drinking parties. The underdog has her priorities and makes decisions based on them. Some on here want to paint it as if the top achiever already got rewarded by doing well, but the poor, just as hard-working underdog didn’t win those medals or titles and so we need to give her a prize at awards night or she’ll be unfairly unrewarded. I’d like to say that in actuality, just like the top achiever, the underdog already got rewarded too. She got rewarded by being able to find a boyfriend and prom date, by having a lot of fun, and by maintaining popularity and a feeling of belonging in a large circle of friends–all by not priroitizing the sport.</p>

<p>My neighbor’s son is a bright kid and top student at the middle school. He often gets the second highest grade in the class on tests. He’s also a super talented gamer and gets paid to play in tournaments (even though he’s young, they obtained special permission). So some nights, he spends more time gaming than studying. Now, the middle school gives quarterly academic awards. Suppose that this fourth quarter, after having earned the second highest GPA for the past three quarters, the teacher decides that the neighbor’s kid should get the top student award, even though technically another student had the highest average. In an attempt to spread the wealth and be fair, the teacher actually made things less egalitarian. So now the gamer gets both the top student award and the win in the video game tournament!</p>

<p>Also, as missypie pointed out, people are wired differently and are motivated by different things. The kid who consistently earns the highest grades definitely cares about getting the highest grades. Maybe he’ll be beaten at home if he doesn’t (that happens around here within a certain ethnic group), or maybe he’s the type to strongly need external validation and will feel awful about himself if he doesn’t excel in ways that are rewarded. Let’s suppose the teacher decides to overlook that kid in favor of someone else, thinking he’s doing the right thing. Can you see how the teacher may be giving neither kid what they need? The kid with the top GPA doesn’t get the reward he really wanted and worked for, and the kid who did get it, could really care less about getting it, because what he’s most interested in is winning video games or hanging out with his friends.</p>

<p>The school needs to set objective criteria as much as is possible, and stick to those criteria as much as is possible. How the kids got to where they got is too much of a black box to make value judgments about it.</p>

<p>Pizzagirl, I know you mean well, but there is little point in continuing to tell people that they shouldn’t care about HS awards if they do care. :slight_smile: You don’t. Fine. Good for you. If people cannot come here and vent, where can they do it?</p>

<p>I know what it feels like to be invited to an award ceremony and see one’s kid passed over in a very flagrant way. (As in, an award is given to every 8th grader who has an A average in a certain subject. Your 7th grader who is taking the 8th grade course and who has an A average does NOT get one!! Same ceremony: your kid is the most advanced player on any instrument in the middle school orchestra. Two of his friends who play band instruments–all that the school offers–are given music awards, he and the other advanced string player get none. Why?) You have to sit there and smile and clap for everyone else. Yeah, it can be very frustrating, to say the least. I don’t care if they chose NOT to give awards, but if they are going to give them, there ought to be SOME semblance of fairness.</p>

<p>"One of these biases is that the obviously hard-working kid is more deserving than the kid that achieves the same or better result in a manner that appears to require less effort. "</p>

<p>At DD’s HS they always gave an effort grade. DD was able to get As without much effort. Whose fault was that? She would not get recognized for some things because they factored in the effort grade. I think that it is almost impossible to tell how much effort someone puts in, but effort seems to consistantly be rewarded.</p>

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<p>Wow. D is lucky to have had some options that many of her classmates didn’t and so she is one of the few who is attending an out of state school. Yes, most of her friends are attending state schools (because that is what their families can afford) but I will not presume to make statements of what they will do in the future. She has stayed friends with her HS friends as well as made many new friends from college.</p>

<p>I constantly read posts on here from parents telling kids to suck it up and accept admissions decisions, something that actually matters. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure I could go back in the search function and dig up these type of posts emanating from some of the posters here caterwalling about basically meaningless awards.</p>

<p>Most decisions in life are subjective. There’s always somebody who agrees and somebody who doesn’t. “Why didn’t I get the job, promotion, blah, blah, blah when I was truly more deserving.” We deal with it and move on. </p>

<p>And I also suspect that for every poster here complaining bitterly about the unfairness of an award, there is another student or parent complaining when that poster’s child wins this or that awards. </p>

<p>Sure, there may be real cases of true injustice or malice. But I suspect they are very, very rare. But they certainly aren’t significant in the pantheon of true injustice in the world. </p>

<p>And finally, any kid with a long career of accomplishment, who has been accepted to a supremely prestigious university, and still feels beaten down and dejected because they didn’t get some high school award, may need some professional help. I say that in all seriousness. This is assuming that’s truly the way the kid feels.</p>

<p>PS–In some communities these school awards are probably much more important than in others. The value placed on the awards can be greater or smaller based on the socio-economic and ethnic composition of the high school. Also, if the school holds an assembly after school that no one is required to attend in order to hand out some “silly” awards, then obviously the honors will feel less important than awards given at an expensive banquet with everyone’s parents present. Also, if you have a personality like pizzagirl and don’t feel a heck of a lot of a connection with the majority of the high school community (viewing them as people you and your kid don’t care about and will never see again), well that’s a different perspective from a people person’s attitude in a tight-knit community.</p>

<p>And maybe one’s peer group also makes a difference. The cynics among us and among the students, such as those of us with older kids/siblings, can more easily view these events through the lens of experience and thus understand the way things really are. I know quite a few parents, though, who believe that the teachers are all honest and good, and know better than any of us who is truly deserving, and would never not give an award to the most deserving child… If that latter is your peer group and you/your child just got slighted, well that can feel worse than if the former crowd surrounded you.</p>

<p>TheGFG: How do you feel about rewarding a student who has overcome some adversity, particularly one of which the other students/families are aware?</p>

<p>You know, a few pages ago I thought it would be nice to have some transparency to this process and some idea of what the criteria are for each award – mostly because I’d like to think there are some, though morbid curiosity plays a part, too. Now I’m thinking maybe not. The thing about subjective awards is that no one can see the criteria the same way. We may think we’ll feel better if we find out that Abner didn’t get the AP Physics Award even though he had the highest average because Eustace had more class participation and also cleaned the blackboards. But would we really? Or would we then be arguing about the criteria, too?</p>

<p>Maybe you know students who are lavished with awards because they or their parents misrepresented their qualifications on the application form or wooed the judges with homemade cookies or otherwise upended the playing field. That only matters if you believe that a generic certificate or the $14.99 plaque from Trophiez R Us really means what the inscription says. Now, it might, which is lovely. But the symbol is not the thing itself.</p>

<p>Even more significant awards don’t necessarily go to the most deserving recipient. (Olympic figure skating?) Ever see Greta Garbo in “Camille?” One of the greatest performances in the history of film – as brilliant now as it was in 1936. The Oscar that year went to Luise Rainer for a performance in “The Good Earth” that is embarrassing to watch today. And she’d won the year before, too; Garbo never did. I don’t know how the Fields Medal is awarded, but I imagine there are online forums that burn up every time it is; ditto the MacArthur genius grants.</p>

<p>Not that I object to folks ranting about the nuttiness of hs awards. Here’s a good place to do it, and then move on. Kids pretty much have to learn to do that, unless they’re going to win everything. And who is?</p>

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<p>I wasn’t making any statement about what these other kids will do in the future. Some may go on to be wildly successful. Great for them!!</p>

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<p>I must have misunderstood this.</p>

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Bingo. Of course we would. So few classes and activities can even possibly be judged objectively. Most classes have essays, papers, or research projects, which inherently have a subjective component. You would have to eliminate all of that or people would be digging down to that level complaining about that. Even worse, artistic performance, picking the best actor, the best dancer, etc. People don’t even agree about the Oscars or the Grammy’s.</p>

<p>Even most science courses have labs which are graded subjectively. Or they allow partial credit on problems. And then you are going to have people who want to include the results of AP exams, etc in the evaluation, as well as people who don’t. It’s endless.</p>