<p>Whew - thank goodness you posted that (again) CGM. I mean, it’s a long way between the first post on this thread - that also had that link - and here :)</p>
<p>Which brings the question back to suze - it’s not that the Rolling Stone article is wrong, it’s that the Rolling Stone article presents a limited view that cannot be construed as “Duke Culture” (as if such a monolithic moniker makes sense, really, for any national or international college or university).</p>
<p>cgm - Full approval of the school? I’m interested in where you got that from.</p>
<p>The girls awaited the freshmen, who, dressed only in their boxers, were led into their room by some Delta Sig brothers. The girls had props: whipped cream, chocolate syrup, baby bottles, pacifiers. The ‘‘hazing’’ commenced: girls straddling the boys dominatrixlike, shouting obscenities, calling the boys ‘‘babies,’’ making them suck on bottles filled with alcohol. Girls poured shots of chocolate syrup on one another and smeared their chests with whipped cream. Then they made the boys lick it off. ‘‘It was like a huge dry orgy,’’ says Anna.</p>
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Which school is giving full approval to drinking at 19? I mean - which American school, since certainly schools in countries with drinking ages 19 or younger wouldn’t apply.</p>
<p>Well, considering they do nothing to stop it, they approve it, if everyone knows it is going on, and the frats still do it, well, its approved</p>
<p>If the school wanted to stop the dry orgies, they could…if they wanted to stop the underage binges, they could try</p>
<p>But, hey, its okay with the administration because its been going on for years and they have done little to say. hey not good</p>
<p>So, yeah, if you don’t say NO, and ignore it, its approved</p>
<p>You mean, if groups of people have parties off-campus the school (defined as “on campus”) approves it? Interesting thought process.</p>
<p>Would be interesting to see the same type of article written and based on a certain IN high school group - ya know that POPULAR group of athletes/cheerleaders/pop kids (just using that as an example folks - not meaning to pick on any one group in particular) - the results could well be similar - this behaivor doesn’t just start the day kids leave for college - for many - it starts in early high school -for some even in middle school. I have such a hard time even imagining that - whew!!! but it is true.</p>
<p>The next article needs to be on the outragous behavior of the nerds and geeks - just to make things balance.</p>
<p>Duke looks really bad and really tawdry and we in the world see that and sorry if that bothers your pristine impression of one of the tackiest schools i have ever read about</p>
<p>It is gross there, it is sleezy, both males and females. and yes, i judge your school, I do…</p>
<p>If that offends you, than change your school, that is your problem if the rest of the world thinks Duke is has some serious problems</p>
<p>Sure, this stuff happens at other schools,. but we are talking about Duke aren’t we, and Duke needs to clean up its act</p>
<p>Off campus, while hazing is going on…gee isn’t hazing against all kinds of rules</p>
<p>Does Duke have no standards and no sense of decency…many of its students don’t and are so proud of being just having as little class as possible</p>
<p>How can anyone defend this behavior? Sure they are over 18, but most are under 21, and they could care less about Dukes reputation…blame DUke students for this, not the people reading about it</p>
<p>And DUke administration has allowed a culture to flourish that has given many people a very bad opinion of Duke and its students…</p>
<p>So, go talk to the people in the article if you are so concerned about Duke’s reputation, Duke very own students</p>
<p>Imagine blaming them for Duke’s reputation…gee thats a thought</p>
<p>I rather enjoy that you have taken on the burden of being “the rest of the world.” As an educator, I am appalled that so many have been so swayed by so little but hey - to each her own.</p>
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Just…wow… What a wonderful generalization for someone with a greater world view.</p>
<p>I do think Duke has problems. I do not think they are of the scope that your judgment implies. And actually, on this thread, we are talking about “sexual mores in college, circa 2006” which, as some have tried to state, happens at not just Dear Old Duke.</p>
<p>CGM well I guess - EVERY school needs to do the same then - to tow the line - cuz EVERY school has some type of sub-culture that is less than pristine and not desirable - in some form or another.</p>
<p>Your anger is getting in the way here and judging the WHOLE school and ALL of it’s students is very unfair - the woes and sins of a few… don’t equal the total sum</p>
<p>Why are you not angry at the students at Duke who put the school in such a bad light> </p>
<p>So, if you D came home and said, mom, want to see pictures of me topless with a guy licking stuff of my breasts, that would be just fine with you, or if it was your son licking the girl</p>
<p>It is interesting that you are angry with me, and not Dukes own students bragging in full view of the world the awful behaviour they take such pride in</p>
<p>Go ahead, be mad at me for thinking Duke is icky, go ahead</p>
<p>Don’t be mad at Duke’s own students, cause, gee they alll REALL Y take pride in making Duke look good</p>
<p>you gotta be kidding me!!!</p>
<p>I knew I should have waited for the edit:
What? OK - gauntlet tossed - prove it. Prove that many Duke students are proud of having as little class as possible and of having no standards. I mean, if that’s your opinion, fine, state it as such but to make a blanket statement like that… absurd. I will not let my students be disparaged in such a way. Especially not if the “proof” is a Rolling Stone article!</p>
<p>It is sooo strange to see the cycle of life - espeically when it comes to teens and college - back ooohhh 2-3 - even 4 decades ago - many of us were participating in things that shocked and sveted our parents - get out them smellin salts ma!!! The era of FREE LOVE - and - demonstations - the WAR - the rock & roll and body swaying that was sure to send us all to hell - the drugs - pot/LSD - ELVIS PRESLEY!!! Our parents lived thru just about the same shock that we as parents are living thru right now - not that much different in many ways.</p>
<p>Can you even imagine what our kids are going to see in their lifetimes?? What will be the ‘shocking’ behavior that puts them over the edge - will we live thru it ourselves??</p>
<p>CTG - I have seen those pics - and know a few of those types of girls - and yes - guys as well - certainly don’t like it - NOPE - but DUKE is NOT alone in this - ya - maybe they brought it to the forefront - but it certainly is NOT unique to Duke students - so no I am not angry at duke - upset maybe but not angry - I don’t blame this all on Duke - it certainly brings to the forefront that - yes - the morals of SOME college students leaves alot to be desired.</p>
<p>Nope I would be pretty ticked of if my kid was doing this - and yes - parents have the right to be - but … they also have the right to lay their kids out in lavender too and put the responsibility back on the kids - who are supposed to mature enough to be in school - one question I would have is why do parents encourage or support their kids to go on spring break to the … gone wild types of places - where this behavior is all you see.</p>
<p>Every kid - guy/gal - has the choice to make in this as well - so they bear the responsibility of their own behavior - not the school - tho sure maybe not enough is done to decrease this junk.</p>
<p>CGM - you are still blaming a whole school for the acts of a few - still makes no sense - would you do the same if this happened in your kids school?? I can surely understand being angry at every student - if EVERY one participated in stuff like this - but that is not the situation.</p>
<p>If you’d like to get an idea of how pervasive these behaviors are across the country at many different schools—do a search on webshots. You might be surprised at the many photo albums depicting chocolate wrestling, foam parties, and other drunken behaviors. One is even entitiled “Dry Campus?..We made it Wet!” These are certainly not all Duke students.</p>
<p>OK, Citygirlsmom is a little out of control here, but I have to say that between this and the lax scandal, the Duke administration does look, well, lax. It appears that the infamous house the lax episode supposedly happened at is in a neighborhood where Duke had recently bought up homes that had been student rentals because the neighbors had complained about bad behavior for years and the police were constantly called. Better or worse than most? I don’t know. But I do think college administrations should be on top of issues like alcohol when 3/4 of their students are under 21.</p>
<p>By talking to RollingStone, that is how…</p>
<p>You think those students in the article care about Duke and how it looks to the world…no…they don’t…if they did, discretion would have been used</p>
<p>Why don’t you talk to the frat boys, the soritoy girls, the other students in that article, the ones breaking the laws, the ones sharing their pictures on the web?</p>
<p>If you care about an institution, you show it respect and don’t try and make it look bad</p>
<p>if you think i am bad, imagine the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people reading RS right now…parents, moms, dads, college counsleors, potential applicants, yeah, they are all reading it and making judgements</p>
<p>Sorry, but talk to the people in the article if you are so concerned about Dukes reputation and image, its their fault Duke looks bad, not mine</p>
<p>mkm56 - <a href=“http://www.badjocks.com/[/url]”>http://www.badjocks.com/</a> has a “short” list of places it has deemed most worthy, though most of the schools or teams have pulled their pictoral wonders off webshots. And as much as some schools are into rankings, I am pretty sure Duke’s happy not to be on this list. Or, in fact, on this page except with respect to the courtroom antics of Ms. Roberts.</p>
<p>How am I out of control././. my my my</p>
<p>I am angry because I am blamed for Duke looking bad…well, tough, Duke looks bad…what can I do about Duke looking bad, its not MY fault the students choice to show this side of Duke, in such a public and worldwide way…</p>
<p>Fine attack me, not the idiots in the article, if that makes you feel better</p>
<p>All students who act like morans, when mom and dad, and ME, are paying good money for their educations, sorry if I think they are just tacky, gross, and icky</p>
<p>So, it happens everyhwere, its still gross</p>