Shopping for new dishwasher...ugh

<p>My Bosch is going on 7 years and I have not had one problem with it. My kitchen opens up to my family room and I forget it is even on until the beep. I throw jet dry in maybe every six months if I remember. My dishes always come out dry regardless (except the indentation on bottom of some glasses stay wet.) I really cram things in and never rinse before putting them in so pretty much always use the regular cycle. </p>

<p>Have a Bosch washer and dryer and my stove is a Bosch, too. Never any problems with any of them. </p>

<p>My Kitchenaid is five years old and it’s been a workhorse. Very quiet, dishes get clean. I like the fact that the silverware rack is on the bottom- not on the door. It’s just easier to reach and use, imo.<br>
Mine is a pretty basic model with few features, but even the normal cycle is gentle on my china. No complaints, really.</p>

<p>^I’ve actually never heard of a silverware rack being on the door. Is that a normal feature? All mine have been on the bottom rack.</p>

<p>The old kitchenaid and whirlpools had the silverware on the door. I like that feature too. But honestly. I can fit plenty into my Bosch. It holds as much as my old Maytag.</p>

<p>Normal? Don’t now. Available, yes. My last and current. I don’t run the d/w daily, like the space the door basket leaves in the compartment. It lifts off. </p>

<p>That reminds me of something else. Our new d/w has just the door on the front, no longer an extra bottom panel hiding the motor. So the door pivots quite low. Meaning, the door and bottom rack sit lower when open than on my old Whirlpool. I don’t like bending over the extra inches. I guess, other than durability and service considerations, we really have to play with the floor models, see what we like and where we can compromise.</p>

<p>Thanks, everyone, for these great comments so far. I’m going to let hubby read the whole thread now and then we will go out after work tomorrow. Poor man just hand washed all the dishes we just pulled out of old jet engine that went through two cycles. It’s officially going to rest in peace now.</p>

<p>I just checked my dishwasher because I didn’t put it in, the previous owner did. It is Miele Inspiral serie. I like it because it is so quiet I don’t even know it is on sometimes. What I don’t like is it takes forever to run through one cycle. The previous owner put in all top of the line appliances, but didn’t put in proper ventilation. It has a very high power stove/range. The problem is whenever I try to use it the apartment is filled with smoke.</p>

<p>While we didn’t personally dismantle our dishwasher motor, I know that the sink does share the pipes with it and because…kids…things are always washing down the drain that shouldn’t be. So I would guess that’s what happened with our motor, or something similar, because it’s been a workhorse before and since.</p>

<p>Our dishwasher drains via the garbage disposal (so did the last,) so any bits get ground up.</p>

<p>Looking forward…follow the hose from the dw to the garbage disposal …you may be surprised that it comes into the disposal. Ours does. So the sink water when the sink is full fills the disposal and drains own into the dishwasher tube</p>

<p>I have had a Bosch and loved it. Have a Miele now and my biggest complaint is the top silverware drawer takes up room so I can’t put large items in the lowest shelf easily. But both are so quiet. Can’t imagine tolerating anything louder. We can’t tell it’s running.</p>

<p>Think you meant sseamom. Mine definitely does. But ours drains into the disposal, then exits through that, down the elbow and out to the right places. </p>

<p>LBowie, does your DW upper shelf move up/down? I can easily fit huge pots on the bottom shelf. I love the pull-out tray - the silverware does not rattle and does not get scratched. But Miele is probably 3X the Op’s budget. :(</p>

<p>Consumer Reports has the Bosch Ascenta SHX3AR7[5]UC as the Best Buy pick (81/100, best dishwasher was 85/100) in their current dishwasher Recommendations. But lists it at $730. Untested models expected to perform similarly, were Ascenta SHE3AR7[ ] $630, SHE3ARF[ ]UC - Lowe’s $650, SHX3AR5[ ]UC $680</p>

<p>This Bosch conventional dishwasher delivers top performance for a very competitive price. It aced our wash test, which uses a full load of very dirty items, and was very good for drying plastic items. It was also among the quietest models during fill, wash, and drain and was especially energy-efficient. Pluses include a soil sensor. For flexibility, it has delayed start, ample flatware slots, an adjustable upper rack, and adjustable tines. All controls are hidden, the interior is a mix of stainless and plastic, and you’ll need to clean the filter manually–which you might prefer over the noise of a self-cleaning filter. A normal cycle took 93 minutes and used almost 6 gallons of water in our tests. On the minus side, this model doesn’t display remaining cycle time.</p>

<p>43 User Reviews gave only 3 out of 5. The pros were strong: quiet, energy efficient, cleans well with the main negative being ‘awkward loading’ meaning it doesn’t seem to fit as many dishes and/or seems too small inside, from the comments.</p>

<p>Bosch engineering gets a solid 0 out of 5 from me after our Bosch died quietly in its sleep while flooding the kitchen. There were no loose hose connectors, no leaks - nada! It just decided to fill itself to the gills while being empty and off. WTH? A true marvel of modern engineering, LOL. Thank goodness my Swedish finish maple floors stood up to the flood test well and did not need any repairs. Needless to say, I will never buy another Bosch product nor would I recommend one - maybe to my enemies. </p>

<p>I purchased a Bosch about five years ago based on good ratings and its style. It suffered massive failure about a year ago and the price of a new motherboard was excessive. I had bought it on sale for about $800 and it lasted four years. I replaced it with a GE Adora pot scrubber with stainless interior. It too had rave reviews. It has the hidden controls similar to Bosch. It was cheaper than the Bosch. It gets dishes cleaner and it’s so quiet I sometimes don’t believe it is on. The Bosch had a drain at the bottom that periodically needed to be cleared of disgusting rotted food. I have not had any similar problem with the GE. </p>

<p>@BunsenBurner‌ the Miele silverware drawer does not move up and down but the next lower one, the cup and bowl rack, does. Still, in the fully up position, we can not fit as large of items in the bottom as we could in the Bosch. I blame the space taken by the silverware drawer. I know there are other manufacturers with the drawer. I will avoid it next time no matter what brand I buy. The Bosch had a basket on the bottom shelf, and not a drawer for silverware. @OspreyCV22‌ yes they both have that disgusting filter. Definitely a downside. </p>

<p>I like our Kenmore (15 years old) a lot. It’s not particularly quiet, but since it has a delay button and we only do dishes once a day we just set it to wash at 2 am. It’s needed some quick repairs once or twice that were covered under the warranty and were dealt with quickly and painlessly. Our previous dishwasher had a set up that I hated. Our dinnerdishes were just a hair too big, and the layout meant you couldn’t get as many dishes in. We put silverware upright in a basket that comes out so it’s easy to take the whole basket to the drawers where things get emptied. It has an adjustable upper shelf, but it so roomy that even on the lowest setting I can get big pots in.</p>

<p>Do not get Fisher-Paykel. Its electronics end up getting sloshed by water and shorting out over time and replacement electronics are very hard to find.</p>

<p>We have a 13 year old Meile. Works like a charm. My favorite appliance in the kitchen.</p>

<p>European models have have the filter basket which need to be cleaned because they don’t have internal grinders. It used to be due to the fact that most European countries do not allow garbage disposals for environmental reasons. Not having a grinder makes very very quiet. </p>

<p>I love, love, love the cutlery tray. No more juggling to get the silverware into little basket slots. No more jamming your hand onto fork tongs or incorrectly placed sharp objects. No more trying to dislodge the 4 forks which seem to have melded into physically impossible contortions within one of the little basket thingies, thereby pulling the whole basket thingy out while attempting to separate the recalcitrant pieces. Everyone’s been trained to put like with like in the silverware tray. At the end of the cycle you just grab one hand full of salad forks and one hand full of dinner knives etc and it’s a done deal. </p>

<p>We load dirty dishes as they get generated and run the DW about every 2 days. We rarely put large pots into the DW. It’s just easier to soak overnight and then do by hand. When our trusty Meile goes to DW heaven it will be replaced with the same brand. </p>