<p>My new bosche has standing water under the filter/screen and yes, at times it does smell bad. I feel as though I have to run it every two days regardless. </p>
<p>I will repeat, I like the 30 minute express clean cycle and use it all the time. If the machine is low on jet dry it will force the same cycle to be an hour long. Weird but true. I need to adjust the amt of jet dry it uses which is possible with help from the manual.</p>
<p>I also found I can use my express load on my new washing machine and get a large load done and clean in 37 minutes. </p>
<p>So cycle time is very important to me which does not seem to be an important point with both dishwasher and washing machine manufacturers at this time.</p>
<p>emilybee, mine would have been 14 years old almost exactly. So the drain issue must have been solved sometimes between then and 7 years ago (added another pumping cycle or redesigned the water holding chamber or something like that). I cannot believe I was told it was “normal”. Lol.
In 6 or so years of owning the Miele, I did not have to do the vinegar rinse - not even once. </p>
<p>Thing is, many new dishwashers will beat out something 6-10+ years old, in terms of quiet and energy/water efficiency. As I said, mine (turns out it’s Whirlpool, not Kenmore) is so quiet, that I have the same “come around the corner, don’t realize it’s on” reaction.</p>
<p>My question, sorry it;s a wee bit OT: the refrig is 20 years old. Works, but some shelves, clips and the front door gasket should be replaced. Plus, I know it;s not as energy efficient as the new ones. (Really saw this diff when we replaced the drier.) Do I stick it out, put a little $ into it? Or move forward?</p>
<p>My dishes are usually spotless when I put them in the DW. I got so used to doing that because of my parents. Sometimes I wonder why I put them in the dishwasher.</p>
<p>LF, when I replaced my old refrigerator 7 years ago (did a kitchen gut remodel so all my appliances are 7 years,) I found big difference in how long food stayed fresh. Fruits & veggies stay fresh for two weeks - sometimes more. Milk, too. </p>
<p>Explanation in this link as to why dw cycles are longer now. Also why European models don’t have grinders. </p>
<p>We can put plastic on any level and not have it melt. (That said, I rarely run plastic through the DW). But it does come out wet enough to need a swipe with a cloth.</p>
<p>Great link, thumper, a keeper. And it mentions the coating on the rack tines (nylon- which I think is baked on- vs the old vinyl coated.) We are happy we let the sales rep give us that spiel. I’d guess that’s not an issue on higher priced models, but we were looking mid-range.</p>
<p>I thought the issue with plastic items in the dw is the heated drying cycle. I had also heard (from a reputable source) the drying that can be damaging to some china. From the Thermador link, looks like it can be ymmv, depending on the technology.</p>
<p>Where is OP,out shopping? That link to the $200 Bosch rebate, wow!</p>
<p>Also I forgot to mention that our washer repairman also said LG good for waher/dryer but don’t buy them for anything else (don’t remember if he said which things.)</p>
<p>I find Consumer Reports helpful, especially for written articles, I would have been mincemeat back buying my first car if I hadn’t run across an articles about the foursquare and tips. And I don’t find the ratings crap. They did rate Kenmore Elite the highest, are DWs really running #1,500’s though? </p>
<p>I took a chance and bought my mother a return at the Sears outlet store. I can’t remember the brand though. It has been great for 5 years now. I bought it for $300 when it was originally $700 and it came with warranty or I wouldn’t have bought it–in that case I was worried about initial problems and figured that if it ran well to start it would do okay as a regualr in the long run. I was even able to look up inventory online for the 5 or so stores in driving distance, then look up info on the brands/models available.</p>
<p>I want to replace the dishwasher that came with our current house- 6-8 years old plastic tub, black. Did research, “kicked tires” and talked to local places. Went to the library and read the July 2014 issue which covers kitchen appliances. Also 1he 2013 issue- they no longer list many appliances, only their top picks. read all sorts of reviews online. Current favorite is the Bosch …68… (800 series) with front touch controls. Reliability in both CR issues was good. Want quiet one, discovered all of them are quiet because of no disposer grinding. </p>
<p>We’ll see when/what I get. Only run the thing every 4 or so days, therefore rinse off stuff, especially milk that may smell.</p>
<p>Got the LG front loader washer and its dryer last year- managed to score both the Black Friday and Cyber Monday discounts! Instore salespeople are very willing to give the online discount to get the business… LG currently has a great rep for washing/drying.</p>
<p>Also have researched refrigerators. Some new models coming out so may wait a few more months. Dislike side by side-want French door. Currently LG seems to be the top- will see.</p>
<p>There I got to talk about this with someone who listens/understands- H doesn’t.</p>
<p>Any appliances over a decade old were built differently. All those years of wisdom and experience we have don’t apply to buying things. Have to get used to how things are NOW. Several years ago I had very different opinions, but reliabilities and features et al keep changing. </p>
<p>I know the OP in this particular thread had a builder-grade unit, but I would just throw out there that if you do have a better unit to reconsider getting it repaired. Spend a little time on Yelp and asking around, and you should find a good repair place in town. I have had a couple of belts repaired over the years for my Maytag clothes washer. It is still going strong.</p>
<p>@lookingforward Regarding your refrigerator, I guess the big question is that if it is a dated exterior color or finish, how much will that bother you? Because if you don’t think it will bother you, I’d say stick with it and buy the shelves. Heck, if you change your mind in a year or two, you can donate it still?</p>
<p>We did get a new French-door fridge. I love certain things about it,. But, after about 1 year, there was water pooling in the bottom of that lower freezer and freezing in a sheet. We took the whole freezer apart, thawed the ice out if it and reassembled. Well, it did it again, but much sooner, just a few months. So we did the whole dis-assemble process again, and found a mechanic’s solution on the internet using copper wire to help keep the take-away tube from freezing solid. From our reading it sounded like many brands had this problem. It seems to be fixed for good, but it cost us the better part of two weekends. Meanwhile, the family we gave our old fridge to had no problems with it.</p>
<p>I know OP isn’t considering a kitchenaid but I just wanted to share that I’ve had a superba (model # not readily available) for about 5 years and it’s never been anything but a sanitizing device. All food has to be rinsed off or it’s still there afterwards. Did a lot of research, etc.,including CR so I don’t know if I just got a lemon but I don’t plan to buy KA again. Now, my mother also has a KA (different model) and loves hers and doesn’t have to rinse…I’m always astonished when I see people put dishes in with food still present. Doesn’t it dry and not come off?? Will wait til this one dies and start the dance again…</p>
<p>BrownParent…we had the same issue with our old GE Profile fridge. We still have the tubing. Very easy…just slide the thing into that little drainage hole at the bottom. Clears it out, and the frozen stuff ends.</p>