Should I go to Brandeis or Penn State? Help appreciated

<p>So the final two colleges I’m looking at are Penn State and Brandeis. I’m going for Economics/Business. From what I know, Penn State is ranked 25th for Smeal and the WSJ ranked it the number one school to recruit from for business. I know Brandeis is well respected in academia and on Wall Street. My cousin and his friends in investment banking both recommended Brandeis because it has a strong reputation in the business world. </p>

<p>I’m full pay at both schools but my parents told me not to make my decision based on money and that they’ll cover almost all of it as long as i get good grades.</p>

<p>So is it worth it to go to Brandeis for almost twice the cost?</p>

<p>I couldn’t really “see” myself at either school among other equalizing factors so fit is practically a wash.</p>

<p>Thanks</p>

<p>Regardless of if your parents say they can pay it all, I'd pick PSU for half the price. It is very good in business and I doubt that Brandeis is worth double the price.</p>

<p>Thanks for your thoughts, SoulReaver.</p>

<p>To add a bit-- my brother in law graduated from PSU in 4 years with a bachelor's in _____(can't remember). He makes in 90k range I believe, was head of some division at AOL and now has the same position at Carfax. </p>

<p>He says PSU is great because of the amazingly large network you get.</p>

<p>Oh, the great school spirit and football team is a big plus too.</p>

<p>I've heard a lot about Penn State's huge network. In one of their letters they said that 1 of every 117 people with a college degree is a PSu grad. This would be a pretty big advantage in getting a job and such.</p>

<p>Both are great choices. Personally, I would go with Penn State. It has a very strong national reputation and a nearly unparalleled alumni network. Also, you are far more competitive than the average kid at Penn State so I believe that if you devote yourself to your work, you will be able to graduate at the top of your class and go on to get the same jobs a Brandeis education would allow you to get. Also, there is something to be said for saving $100k, even if your parents don't want you to use it as the only factor. Only go to Brandeis if you are sure that the education that you get will be that much better.</p>

<p>thanks collegej2, you make some good points.</p>

<p>You'll need to judge for yourself whether Brandeis is the right fit for you. As for education, there really is no comparison between Brandeis and Penn State. Brandeis is an elite liberal arts university. Penn State simply is not. Undoubtedly you can get a good job going to many schools. But that's not the sole reason to choose a school. If it were, you could simply learn a trade and profit nicely as well.</p>

<p>Penn State is a good but very large state school--around 45000 on its main campus versus 5000 for Brandeis. At Brandeis, you will have dramatically smaller class sizes and classes taught by professors, not TAs. Brandeis has all of the elements of a small liberal arts college, but set in a research environment. Undergraduate teaching is the main focus of the faculty, not research. In contrast, if your main interest is big-time athletics and partying, then Penn State should be your choice. But if your focus is academics, class size, quality of teaching, then Brandeis is the clear choice</p>

<p>Brandeis is truly an amazing school. It's a special combination of small liberal arts college and world-class research university-with the smallest student body I believe (around 800 in a class) of any top tier national research university matched with high-powered professors who actually teach in small classes. So, the research opportunities are tremendous. </p>

<p>Brandeis' intellectual environment is comparable in many ways to its University Athletic Association sister school, U Chicago (perhaps no coincidence that the President of U Chicago is a Brandeis alum). Yet its students are down-to-earth, friendly and non-competitive with one another. With respect to success rates in admissions to the best graduate schools, including med school, it would be hard to beat Brandeis. Plus it's located just outside of Boston, the world's greatest college town, but on its own suburban campus.--really the best of both worlds.</p>

<p>If you haven't seen the recent rankings of some of Brandeis' strongest majors, the article linked below may interesting to you. Remember that at Brandeis doctoral students and undergrads work side-by-side with the same professors. So this ranking of doctoral programs is very relevant to potential undergrads. Here's the link:</p>

<p>Brandeis</a> doctoral programs rate high in national survey | BrandeisNOW</p>

<p>Also, if you haven't read it, this Newsweek article featuring Literature professor, Bill Flesch gives a sense of how the intimate Brandeis learning environment can make a real difference: </p>

<p>Four</a> Great College Professors - Newsweek</p>

<p>Further on the subject of whether Brandeis is the right fit for you, I believe the kind of person who would feel comfortable at Brandeis is an intellectual and/or creative sort who is friendly and comfortable with himself or herself and not competitive or pretentious. Intellectual but down-to-earth and friendly I think is an apt description of the student body. Unlike some preppy place or frat-oriented environments where social interraction is based on the "exclusivity" of the frat system, Brandeis has a welcoming, relatively-nonjudgmental environment--yet there are some off-campus frats for those who like what they have to offer. There is no pressure to party, but parties are there if you want them. Often social interaction centers around the numerous clubs and other terrific extracuriculars like theater and music. </p>

<p>You're interested in whether going to Brandeis will help you in the long run. I can only say that the combination of high caliber peer group and nuturing academic experience certainly can make a difference and have produced some very exciting and successful alumni. To name just a few: Nobel Prize winner for chemistry Rod Mackinnon, Fields Medal winning physicist Edward Witten (often called "Einstein's successor"), 3-time Pulitzer Prize winner Tom Friedman of the NY Times, The Earth is Flat etc; Mitch Albom of Tuesday's with Morrie (about his Brandeis professor), the Creators/Producers of Friends; actress Debra Messing; Robert FX Sillerman (billionaire businessman--currently owner of American Idol and Graceland), Jeff Lurie, billionaire owner of the Philadelphia Eagles and Christy Hefner, former CEO of Playboy. Also, if you're into social justice (Angela Davis and Abbie Hoffman are alums as well, I could go on) or theater/music/art, it's a very exciting place to be.</p>

<p>Forgive my enthusiasm, but as a Brandeis alum, I loved it! Good luck with your decision!</p>

<p>thanks for your insight, B77</p>

<p>Hello every one.
I have got through both Penn State and Brandeis for MSFinance for spring 2012.
Which one out of the two is a better option.
I know for the fact Brandeis is costing me $8000 more but I like the curriculum more then Penn state.
Job prospects which is a billion dollar question ... which of the two got better prospects of getting a job after graduating. </p>

<p>Thanks in advance</p>

<p>Brandeis has more 'respect' in academia and the business world, but Penn State has a much larger network. I think this makes job prospects about equal.</p>

<p>Of course, with recent developments with Sandusky, Penn State will take a hit to its reputation, but I doubt finance and economics majors will be much affected by that.</p>

<p>If you can pay the extra 8k without it being too much of a burden, I say go Brandeis if you like the curriculum more. By MSFinance do you mean a masters in finance? Because if you do, then realize that Brandeis has the #1 Master's of Arts in International Economics and Finance in the US that doesn't require prior work experience (or something like that).</p>

<p>Good luck! :)</p>

<p>Thank you AutumnComet
Well yes I have heard a lot of praises of Brandeis academics.
Yes Iam going for Masters in Finance spring 2012 .
Hey any idea if Brandeis gives Financial Aid to International students. I was living in London for last 8 yrs did my MBA and undergraduate there. But the truth is job market in Europe is pretty bad. I just hope I get a job in US after this course.
Any more info on Brandeis or Penn state would be helpful.
Cheers</p>

<p>@karanusa,
Penn State and Brandeis are quite different.
For one, Penn State (I'm assuming you mean University Park) has a graduate student population of almost 7,000 while Brandeis has about 2,000 graduate students.
Plus, Brandeis is just a few minutes from Boston.
Essentially, it's about fit.
Have you visited both?</p>

<p>I'm sorry I didn't realize you were looking at graduate. I will edit my last post accordingly.</p>

<p>Business</a> School finance program ranked best in US | BrandeisNOW : source</p>

<p>Apparently there's a masters of arts (the one that was ranked so high in the article), and a masters of science. Hmm.</p>

<p>Master</a> of Arts in International Economics and Finance (Lemberg Program) | Brandeis University International Business School: Business, Economics and Finance for Global Leadership : apparently the MA (Lemberg) gives financial aid. Not sure about the MSFinance, but it is only one year and there should be plenty of work in the Boston area.</p>