Should I just give up applying?

:frowning: Sorry

Ugh. So sorry you are going through this. I’m not sure anyone here can offer any viable solutions. Your father sounds too stubborn to listen to anyone.

That said, ND is a great school. Can you just focus on general ed requirements for the first year or two? Maybe that will buy you some time to see if you can change his mind.

What do you think would happen is you said you weren’t going to college at all under those conditions? I’m not suggesting this, but just asking what you think he’d do.

I take it that if you attend your local state university you’d have to live at home? I wouldn’t do that. I think that if I were in your shoes I’d go to Notre Dame and major in CS with maybe a minor in business. I’d make a concerted effort to get jobs on campus over breaks and return home as little as possible.

@MYOS1634, what are your thoughts on this? OP needs the parents to fill out the financial aid forms, so I think he has to be careful about how he handles this. There’s a good possibility they’ll demand to see grades too, so going to Notre Dame and just majoring in CS and minoring in business may not work.

Show him this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/01/28/business-is-the-most-popular-college-major-but-that-doesnt-mean-its-a-good-choice/?utm_term=.448387e58a78

So sorry. Job 1 is to position yourself so that he no longer has a way to control you. That’s going to be tough so long as you are dependent on his willingness to pay for expensive resources. (I’ll admit that there’s a part of me that’s tempted to say you should call his bluff, but I think that’s risky.) I’m sorry. All I can really offer right now is that a) his approach is seriously misguided and b) anything you can do to enlist input from adults he respects may be helpful … eventually. Good luck. You’ll be fine in the long run, but in the short run it’s a tough haul.

Despite the article, Notre Dame is an excellent school and you will find your way if that’s where you end up! And if that is where you end up, don’t regret it, don’t look back, just forward. Make it your number goal to graduate college and become independent :slight_smile: You’re a hard worker and good things will come for you… good karma, just hang in there!!

I would pick the local state for any major you want. i think prestige seems to mean a lot to him, and if you go to the local state school, it wont be GA Tech/ND and he is not even getting the major he has “chosen” for you. If you do go, maybe once he sees that you love CS, you can then transfer to Tech. he may then decide to let you do what you choose, But it is May 1st right now.

Of course, if you really like ND, then go there. Once in college, and talking to advisor, you might be able to switch majors. or Major in CS and minor in Business. Also while there, you may be able to try to declare yourself independent and file FAFSA yourself for aide, so you can pick your own major without the financial cloud over you from your dad.

its much easier thought to give you advice, than to be in your shoes.

Be wary of the advice above.

1: I don't think OP can "declare himself independent."

2: No guarantee of transferring to Tech later.

Pick the option you can live with for the next four years, and that you think offers the best odds of not having every move controlled by Dad. Good luck.

I suggested transfering to tech later, as the OP seems like a very hard worker who would get the grades needed to transfer. So no Guarantee, but on the boards here there are plenty of times when it has been suggested to start one place and transfer later. I just feel really bad for the OP not being to choose what they want for their future.

I’m so sorry for your aggravation and frustration. My H and S went to ND so I’m a fan of the school. I’d consider Mendoza and look into what type of coursework would be involved in majoring in Information Technology, Analytics, and Operations which is part of the b-school – maybe doing that and a CS minor would work (unless he will only accept a certain major in business)?. I do agree that you cannot assume a 4.0 at ND. But if your heart is truly in engineering then your state U is worth considering.

IMO you should work to become independent of your dad and his purse-strings by the time you are done with undergrad. Sadly, I don’t think he understands how much of what he is doing now may well undermine your future relationship.

Gosh, yet again, he thwarts your plans! Just when I was thinking…things might go well… again…
I really feel for your situation right now because my parents want me to pursue Business, but I really like CS side more. I was looking into a double major, but I don’t know if it that’s doable…so maybe an interdisciplinary to appease both sides…but no, that won’t work either. Basically, I’m not smart enough to major in CS…So I really understand your predicament right now. I haven’t either committed to a school because we’re working this through. I’ve managed to get things on my side at least…since they’re highly considering my state tech school…BUT for a business major…which means I will have some access to CS related things…

In any case, what I recommend really doing is buying time. I just sent a few colleges an email for additional time to consider their offers. Luckily, they agreed and have given me another two weeks. I do not know if this will work out for you…

Seems like he really cares about prestige and you following his wishes. If he really values it, then he should let you pursue GA Tech. And that’s ridiculous that your father thinks you’ll end up a nerdy programmer without social skills! In any job, regardless of what it is, you need to work with others. And the smart students have those skills and the intellect to go with them.

I really feel like you’re passing up an amazing opportunity at G Tech especially if it’s where you think you will thrive… But at this point, it’s going to be hard to please your father.

I would say go with the local state uni…only if you aren’t living at home…but sounds like you will, right?
So, I feel like he will constantly berate you for choosing to study CS (should you do that)…Press for more time from each of those unis… and don’t tell you dad about that…until you’ve come to a conclusion.

If you can get more time, then use it to try to convince your father today for G.Tech. And you don’t need a 4.0 for grad school. I don’t think it will worsen your chances for grad school if you have a slightly lower GPA there. If you work hard and to your best, then you will have options.

If all does not go well, then I would say go with Notre Dame. It’ll appease your father and you will get away. If you really must study what you love, then go to your state uni.

I am so sorry this is happening. :s
I would make a last push for GTech, say you’ll major in Business there? (Some of their business programs are very highly ranked).
But all in all it sounds like your dad is just trying to manipulate and control you. I’m sorry to say, his decisions don’t come from love, so you have to deal with the fact you’ll have to look out for yourself.
That means feeding his sense of control, being fully aware he’s trying to manipulate you, and evade both the manipulation and its consequences.

Don’t do the “whatever major you want at the state school” thing. Your dad is trying to manipulate you and could easily pull the rug from under you saying, a month from now, “I won’t pay for the state school unless you major in business”. At least at ND you get some respite since it’s far away - it sounds like your dad is only interested in getting his way and in stopping you from doing what he wants in order to prove that he “knows better”, perhaps to compensate for a sense of inadequacy in this second culture or perhaps simply because he’s a control freak and he sees you’re soon to be out of his control so he is reasserting his “controls” by undermining you any way he can.

As for business vs CS… continue to protest, more and more weakly, till he thinks he’s convinced you (dont give in too fast or he’ll find something else - that’s the pattern here as far as I can tell: As soon as he’s won on something, he moves on to some other way to apply pressure). Keep your ideas to yourself. If you want to be a CS major, you can be a CS major. Just don’t say it out aloud and work on your skills.
Once in college, you DO NOT need to reveal what classes you’re taking or anything. Once on campus far away, your dad can’t control you. (Check that he’s not downloaded a tracker on your phone, or disable the GPS tracker - some parents have been known to do that “because they like to know where their kid is”.)
As a freshman, you’ll be taking a set of gen ed classes anyway. You’ll be required to take math and science classes - those can match CS major requirements, and be “strongly recommended by your adviser”. (Your dad can call your adviser. The adviser is legally barred from answering.)
Learn what the business major in analytics requires so that you can discuss those requirements easily.
For example, imagine you’re really a business major.
Here are the 10-11 classes you’d be taking your first year:
Calculus 1, Moreau FY Seminar, University Seminar, History, Philosophy or Theology, Writing Seminar, Natural Science with lab, Microeconomics, IT Management applications, Statistical Inference for Business, Principles of Marketing.
As a CS major, you’d take:
Calculus 1+2, Moreau FYS, University Seminar, History or Philosophy, Theology, Writing Seminar, Intro to Chemical Principles with lab, a social science, Intro to Engineering1+2, Intro to Physics with lab.
So 8 out of 11 are the exact same. 3 in each sequence are different.
My guess is that you have AP credits for Calculus 1, Writing, Microeconomics, and chemistry - so that staying on track would be possible for both if necessary. It gets harder after your first year but you’ll have become more independent and your dad may have switched from his newly-found business focus or it may be easier to continue with CS, doing a Business minor if necessary and/or not tell him.
http://science.nd.edu/undergraduate/majors/applied-and-computational-mathematics-and-statistics/
https://cse.nd.edu/academics/computer-science-class-of-2019
https://notredame.app.box.com/s/gh18kki9t1h54m8z9wtanq0blarjfcxf
http://firstyear.nd.edu/assets/165015/ap_credit_table_updated_05_19_2015.pdf
In any case you don’t have to declare a major till second semester sophomore year. You’ll deal with him then.
By “progressively agreeing”, you give yourself some time - and that’s what you need for now.
In the meanwhile, your CS skills should lead you to a well-paid job on campus (you don’t need to tell your father) and for the summer a good internship (it’ll be at a business, your dad should be happy :stuck_out_tongue: … no need to specify in which department).
Save the money carefully so that your father has as little leverage on you as possible.

Double check to see which schools will allow you to change your “declared”: major as a freshman. IIRC (and you’ll have to check) you might not be able to do that at Tech. And, keep in mind, if you do transfer to Tech, you may or may not be able to get into your desired major, especially if it is over-enolled.

If ND gets you away from your dad, take it and run.

Give up over essays? There are so many components that play a huge factor in being accepted into a high selective school…any school at all tbh. Your essay may not be strong, but your grades may overshadow that. Your dad doesn’t want the best for you if he isn’t willing to pay.

@chemist76 I think you may have missed a few pages…

and @pocrocodro that’s an extremely difficult situation you are in right now. I would suggest (obviously I haven’t been through anything like this or know anyone who has been through that) going with convincing your dad that business is not necessarily a “good” major for everyone, and especially not a person whose passion is CS. Best of luck with your dilemma!!

Let us know what you decide to do. Best of luck. I think everyone’s heart goes out to you. As much as you can, try to stay positive, find the most palatable solution, and know deep down that you should be out from under your father’s thumb in 4 years.

If you choose to do this, another point you could use with this argument is that the location in Atlanta is way better for business/banking internships than ND.

@pocrocodro did you get into harvard? Also for OP please submit your own. I made that mistake of letting my parents influence mine too much and I didnt get into any ivy or 1-19 school even though I had the stats to

Thank you all so much for the caring replies. The responses and effort you all put forth were extremely helpful. However, I don’t think I can use them anymore.

In some massive stroke of luck, I got into Duke this afternoon off the waitlist. Even better, my dad loves Duke.

The school for which I wrote my own essays, filled my own app, wrote my LOCI without my dad knowing, admitted me today into the Pratt School of Engineering.

I feel it’s some sort of timely calling. Although I’m not at all religious, I feel the hell I’ve went through over the past few months has somehow, someway pent up into this one moment. It seems like, out of all the random probabilities of how this cycle of admission may have turned out, the outcome that resulted was fortunate, yet extremely tortuous.

But I couldn’t be happier to be a Blue Devil.

Yayayayayayayay! Congrats!