The SAT is “low”? Are you serious. The average for the white male demographic nationally is 1080. We are not talking MIT here.
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The SAT is low for Bates - per OP. OP noted the next class has a 1410 at the 25th percentile. And OP noted the rank is 27 and the GPA is low.
Bates, per CDS, 62% is in the top quarter - so vs. the averages, the student appears to be beneath the Bates #s.
My comment was based on the info provided by OP relevant to Bates, not other schools.
In this case I would submit.
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The SAT is not low for Bates. 18% of applicants submit SAT scores to Bates. The others don’t submit because they probably couldn’t break 1250. The GPA is great. We don’t know how competitive the high school is.
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Irrelevant as race cannot be considered. “Low” is always relative and in the case of the pool of Bates applicants it IS low (which does not mean it should not be submitted - it’s in range enough IMO)
I’m not saying it should be considered, that’s the most likely demographic of the OP. You can replace with other demographics, stats for all prove that 1390 is a great score.
It’s low for what is submitted. See my previous note. 28% submit.
The counselor told them not to. However I noted I would because they are also short (for Bates) in other areas and the test can validate.
I missed the counselor recommendation, but generally agree with you. The fact of the matter is stats are fine but not particularly impressive for Bates. It could go either way and none of the numbers are likely to be determinitive.
The # that will matter is the bank account. Full pay or close enhances the chances.
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You maybe overestimating the competitiveness of SLACs like Bates, IMO, especially considering full pay applicants
Bates is pretty selective. It’s not an easy school to get into. The class size is so few that probably the bulk of acceptances ED are hooked applicants.
Class of 2028 Enrollment Profile
- Class size 491
- Admission rate 13%
- Yield rate 36%
I agree - I don’t see the student getting in (short of ED and full pay) - and there’s no way to know whether to submit the test or not.
One can only try and see - and OP will have to decide on submitting the test or not. No one 100% knows the answer.
Please return focus to the OP. Too many users are using this thread as an opportunity to have a debate. Make your point, defend once if necessary, and then move on.
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I lean towards submitting the score because in context of the HS it is high. You could leave the decision to your S. I don’t have full information on his app of course, but would think that score is additive to the overall app. I agree with others that being male will be a bit of an advantage per the CDS. If he is not applying for FA, that would be another advantage.
Just to be clear, and I expect you know, Bates is reachy for your S. Hopefully he has a balanced list of schools including at least one affordable highly likely/safety. Let us know if you want any additional school suggestions. Good luck to him.
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Thanks to you and all those who responded. We are full pay and this may be the only big reach, perhaps one other. I think the SAT helps his profile, but it will be his decision.
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Bates has been test optional forever it seems. They are not one of these schools that has only been test optional since COVID. I mention this because I assume some of these selective “test optional since COVID” schools may switch back to requiring test scores in the next few years. Bates is not in that category. They are one of the original test optional schools.
We have a sophomore in college who had SAT score in mid 1400s which was in the middle range for their ED 1 school. Ultimately, he sent the scores because his major was in the business school and we felt like that program would want to see that the math score was solid. If he wanted to be an English major, maybe less critical to send. This school is one of those “test optional since COVID”. We were a bit skeptical that they truly are part of the test optional mindset. Different than Bates.
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It will not help to submit a score below 25th percentile and I can assure you the majority of kids did not get low scores, most people who don’t submit likely had similar scores to 1390, some higher some lower. People are saying it’s a reach but you didn’t mention his full profile/application so it’s not possible to say, everything is good enough but the essay and whatnot have to be good too.
I do see that it’s complicated by a somewhat low school average score, so I gave you my initial reaction but ill also say, given that, I don’t know. What you can do is email them so they know your score without pulling down their average, lol I’m not sure if this is considered ok or not.
It should be fine to ask someone at the school for advice, sending it to the admissions office though does seem like they might not appreciate it.
You can assure us that people who didn’t submit had scores close to the OP’s score? Common sense would suggest that the reason most applicants who don’t submit scores with applications is because those scores are too low.
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