Low GPA w/ High Scores Looking to ED Bates [NV resident, 3.48 GPA, 35 ACT]

Demographics

  • State/Location of residency: NV
  • Type of high school (or current college for transfers): Private, somewhat competitive

Intended Major(s)

Biology or Political Science

GPA, Rank, and Test Scores

  • Unweighted HS GPA: 3.48
  • Weighted HS GPA: 3.63 out of 5
  • Class Rank: Barely bottom 50%, likely will not submit
  • ACT/SAT Scores: 35 ACT (35 E, 34 R, 34 M, 35 S) and 1430 SAT (720 RW, 710 M)

List your HS coursework

  • English: 3 honors, 1 regular

  • Math: 2 honors, 1 regular, and AP Calc AB

  • Science: Honors Bio, Honors Chem, Anatomy, AP Bio

  • History and social studies: 2 regular and AP US Gov

  • Language other than English: French III

  • Visual or performing arts: 1 credit

  • Other academic courses: Flight courses, comp sci, humanities

    Awards

Various national and regional (multiple states not local) recognition and commendations in a non-profit

Extracurriculars

Extensive national-level leadership and impact in a non-profit volunteer organization which works on youth leadership development (particularly those at risk), emergency services and disaster relief, aerospace education, and community service (I focused the vast majority of my energy on this)

CERT and FEMA Geospatial Disaster Relief

Lacrosse (not captain)

Assisted in starting two clubs

Essays/LORs/Other

Should be fairly strong, main hook is dramatic upward progression/perseverance after a catastrophic sophomore year (mental health) and developing others while I recovered

Schools

I just wish to be chanced for Bates ED (1 and 2) and any other potential matches. I may bring up other schools on my list, but Bates has been my top choice for a while and I’d really appreciate everyone’s thoughts.

You cannot apply ED1 and ED2 at the same school. If you are deferred ED1, your application rolls to RD. In that instance, you can apply ED2 to a different school.

If Bates is your top choice and is affordable, apply there ED1.

  1. You go to a private school so talk to counseling. They know where kids like you can get accepted based on historical data.
  2. You’ll use your ACT, not SAT
  3. The counselors, not you, will be the one that report your rank in the class that will be used.
  4. Your rigor doesn’t seem very high but again, being at a private it might be or vs the school overall.
  5. Very few submit a test to Bates - less than 1/5 on enrollees. So that’s good. But based on rank, you have little chance. But again, you go to a private. If they send half to schools like Bates you may be ok.
  6. Some will say you should take physics vs another bio. Not saying you need to but noting. Some will also say you need another social science year. They require 3 but recommend four per CDS.
  7. Personally, I’d change the essay topic. I’m not sure you earn points discussing mental health issues. Colleges are risk averse and strained services wise. You needn’t explain your grades away or let your counselor do so. Find something else to write about - your love of helping people or how you live flying or how living in the world of Teslas that own the Las Vegas streets vs the former sounds of gas changed your mindset or how getting a hockey team in Vegas changed your life or why your favorite kind of pant material is corduroy or favorite food is Italian or the exhilaration of riding a roller coaster on the top of a hotel is second to none. It can be interesting but I would stay far from your subject.

You said you only want to know about Bates or possible matches Do you only want to be in the Northeast ? Only an LAC ? Budget considerations - Bates is $90k plus a year so $400k for you with extras. So that price is ok ? Or has your family run the net price calculator to determine your price.

Best of luck.

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GPA, lack of rigor and bottom 50% would seem a waste of an ED at Bates unless you went in with the understanding that you had a near zero chance but felt the need to “shoot your shot”.

Congratulations on overcoming your mental health challenges and making the most out of your high school education – that really bodes well for your future. However, Bates will be a tough admit with your GPA and course rigor, even if you do have a compelling story and an upward trend. Bates will look for 4 years each in all of the core subjects - you’ve got that in math and science, but not in English and social studies. They’ll prefer honors and AP courses where available. You don’t have to report class rank (although your counselor likely will give at least approximate information to that effect, which should provide context to explain your grades and achievements), but your GPA will probably indicate where you stand.

I agree with others that you should find an essay topic that reveals something unexpected and unusual or quirky about you – I also think it’s okay if you discuss mental health challenges in the “anything else we should know?” section, and your counselor can also mention it, with the emphasis on how much you’ve improved since then.

In the meantime, I think it would be a good idea to come up with a list of schools that have some of the same qualities as Bates but might be a more manageable admit for you, with your record. Can you tell us more about what draws you to Bates?

Some ideas for alternatives, depending on your geographic, academic, or other preferences: Muhlenberg, Dickinson, Beloit, Kenyon, Occidental, St. Olaf, Gettysburg, Allegheny, Juniata, Connecticut College, Lawrence, Lewis and Clark, Whitman, Hobart and William Smith. Some might still be reachy, but less so than Bates. Do any of these sound appealing?

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I think your high school record may be a pretty strong headwind. You can ED , but my guess is that you would not be admitted. However, if it’s your first choice, given that many of these others may be easier admits, there’s no harm in givingit a shot. You are smart to be filling out your list. The suggestions above are excellent. You may also want to look at Macalester and Bard.

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Bates tells us right on their common data set that while they will consider standardized test scores if submitted, they do not regard them as an important criterion for admissions decisions. So, if you’re looking for bare test scores to be the difference maker, Bates is not the place for that. They’ve been test optional for more than 50 years, so they’re very experienced at making their admissions decisions based on gpa, rigor, and other factors. If you want to make your essay about overcoming obstacles such as your mental health challenges and about your ECs, that is probably your best shot. In this case, you can use your test scores to show that you have untapped potential.

What is there about Bates which has led you to have such a strong preference for them?

First of all, I agree with those suggesting that you take the essay focus off of your mental health struggles. I understand that you intend to frame this in a positive light, but it’s still better not to make these kind of challenges the centerpiece of your application. Colleges, as already noted by others, can be very risk-averse in this respect. Let your counselor explain that you had health challenges sophomore year and that they are confident that these challenges are in the rear view mirror. Use your own writing to show how thoroughly in-the-past your struggles are by focusing entirely on your passions and your growth, without the frame of mental health struggles as the starting point of that growth.

Overall, looking at your situation from a college’s point of view… a solid 9th grade year is ancient history at this point and won’t help you much… then there was a “catastrophic” sophomore year, and then a good comeback junior year. So basically, in terms of what a college wants to see, your transcript is evenly split between the parts you want them to overlook, and the parts that show your potential. The biggest problem, IMHO, is that you just haven’t had that much time to show consistency, since your mental health crisis. If you apply ED1, there won’t be senior grades on the books before they have to make a decision. I would predict that at best, Bates (and other peer institutions) would defer you, so as to verify that your senior year is continuing the positive trend, before making a decision. Even if they’re inclined to accept you, I think they’ll see an acceptance in December as too big a risk; from their point of view, the pendulum might just as easily swing back, and they’ll want to see that it doesn’t.

If you feel strongly about aiming for a highly-rejective LAC like Bates, one thing you might consider is a PG year, either at a prep school (any chance you’d be desirable to them for lacrosse?) or via an extra year of high school abroad (i.e. through AFS). It sounds like you have enough French under your belt to do this in a French-speaking country if you wanted to. You could then apply with both junior and senior grades on the books - two good years in a row - plus the additional rigor of being enrolled in additional AP-level classes abroad, and achieving fluency in your target language, and a broadening year of life experience that colleges could see as an additional asset.

None of this is to say that you can’t go straight to college after this year; I just don’t think you’re well-positioned as an elite-school ED applicant for the reasons I already discussed, and an extra year could strengthen that position significantly.

Another line of thinking to consider is that it sounds as if you’ve really found a passion already. Do you hope to pursue a career in disaster relief? If so, are you sure you want a more “generalist” liberal arts education at a school that doesn’t have any specialty programs in your field of interest? You could dive right into a major in your field at a larger school; here’s one example: https://ccie.ucf.edu/public-administration/emergency-management/ba-bs/ UCF has a fantastic honors college, which does consider test scores, so maybe you could get into Burnett Honors directly, and if not, there’s a path to get in as a sophomore. I completely understand if you’re sure you want the LAC experience; just running an example of the alternative up the flagpole. (It’s also a top school for aerospace, which seems to be an interest for you too - even non-STEM majors are noted to have a pipeline to aviation-related employment.)

If you definitely want to go all-in for Bates, and you don’t have another ED school in mind for the ED2 cycle, I would weigh the merits of waiting and applying ED2 to Bates. That way you’ll have the whole fall semester locked in before they assess your ED application, which could be more advantageous than applying ED1 and, at best, getting deferred to RD.

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Bates has been test optional for a long time, suggesting that test scores are less important there than at many other colleges, so your test score discrepant situation is the least optimal type of applicant there.

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I do have 4 credits for English and Social Sciences, although I don’t know if it’s just my school counting one of my credits as Soc.

I unfortunately lost a lot of opportunity as a result of what happened Sophomore year, so I was unable to keep up the rigor. My counselor will be handling sharing this, but I’m not sure if I should continue to try to explain away the grades.

I apologize for the poor wording, I meant to say ED I vs II; which one would likely offer me better chances over the other?

Bates really stood out to me for their academic schedule, culture (I don’t really have a major focus on disaster relief, but rather community impact and development), and opportunities for student exploration. I also really like the location, and will be visiting next week. I also don’t anticipate getting any aid in the event I get in, however I am able to get full tuition in Maine as I plan to enlist and eventually commission in the military. That opportunity isn’t necessarily available everywhere else.

A lot of you agree I should not use my mental health struggles for my essay. Would incorporating some of the perseverance and personal growth while leaving out the mental health part be fine?

If anyone else has any other matches, I would love to know. If there are any questions on what my other schools are, I am happy to share. I am definitely trying to shoot my shot at a lot of these schools (many counselors have encouraged me to) because of my other stats and character. While very ambitious, I am trying to keep it fairly realistic (obviously no ivies or T20s) to the point of at least having some chance, even if its near-zero. But again, if any of you have any other matches, please let me know.

There’s lot of matches for you.

I don’t see you listing budget anywhere. Bates will be - for you - $400K.

Do you have that to spend on a school?

If not, what can you afford?

What do you want in a school? What appealed about Bates - you said the culture - but are you open to any part of the country or immune to any part? Does only an LAC work?

Do you want to be urban - or in the middle of nowhere is ok? Is a smaller school but not an LAC ok?

In your fields of interest, I think the name matters far less than you’ll realize…..many a school will be great for you but tell me more so I don’t flip 100 names.

Budget being the biggest factor….

Thanks

I wouldn’t be able to spend that much, but again, I am able to get full tuition at Bates.

I would much prefer a LAC but I have plenty of large universities on my list, so I am very open to any size. I am also open to anywhere but would prefer schools that are not in the West just for a change in scenery (I would like somewhere green!).

OP, a lot of the schools that others (including me) have suggested on this thread will offer all or most of these advantages. I’m not sure what you liked specifically about the Bates schedule, but if has anything to do with May term, there are other schools that offer something similar (more commonly in January than in May, but still). Otherwise, Bates has a typical semester schedule. As to the other strengths you mentioned – community engagement, opportunities for exploration – a lot of LACs offer these. Some may have more or less extensive general studies requirements, but none will require you to pick a major before spring semester sophomore year, so exploration is expected. As far as location is concerned – true, there aren’t too many schools in Maine, but there are others around the country with their own advantages.

Sure, shoot your shot, but be realistic and let us help you find other exciting options. I should also note that if you really are on an upward trajectory and are doing well in your senior year, you might want to wait to EDII so you can include this semester’s grades, which could underscore the point that sophomore year was not characteristic of your abilities.

OK - so full tuition so you have high need.

Run the NPCs to see if these work:

Berea (you’d need low income here)

Dickinson

Holy Cross - if you ED

Sewanee

Union

All are reaches but more reasonable than Bates. Some may see your lower grades and high ACT as academic laziness. You’d hope everyone sees a story but all don’t

I think schools like Wooster, Kalamazoo, Allegheny, Beloit, Juniata, Ursinus, St. Olaf, Centre, Rhodes, Muhlenberg, Wheaton (Mass), Susquehanna, Hendrix (who will match Nevada tuition), and more will want you - but if you need full tuition, that’s going to be the issue. So have your family run the NPCs to see if any affordable.

btw - have you been to Bates ? Just wondering if you like what you see on paper or do you truly know you like it? Don’t fall in love on paper.

I won’t need full tuition, but I have a way to get it.

I am definitely looking at Rhodes, but I don’t know as much about it yet.

I am visiting Bates next week.

Rhodes is in Memphis…not downtown but not far.

When you go to Bates, knowing it’s unlikely, I hope you have more time.

Go see Holy Cross ( a reach but very high ED rate) and Wheaton. There’s also MCLA on the other side of the state but it’s a public, likely mostly locals. Low cost.

Take advantage of your trip for realistic vs the unrealistic.

I will be touring UW-Madison and Tufts as well, are there any schools around there?

Yes, I know Tufts is extremely out there for me, I was originally going to see where to ED I and II to. I know that its a very, VERY far reach, but again, I’m being advised to shoot my shot because of my situation.

Agree. Good suggestions.

I don’t know if this is still the case, but a couple of cycles ago, Conn College was on a mission to boost the standardized test averages for incoming classes. They were actually calling students with lower scores and asking them to withdraw the scores and apply without tests. Based on this, if any NESCAC is going to overlook lower rank and GPA for a good test score, it’s Conn College.

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If you’re going to UW-Madison, you could take a side trip to Beloit.

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I am able to get full tuition in Maine as I plan to enlist and eventually commission in the military. That opportunity isn’t necessarily available everywhere else.

What program are you referring to?

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