Should Master's and Ph.D. admissions be separated?

<p>The U.S. is unique in that it’s extremely common to go into a Ph.D. program from undergrad - indeed, this is probably the case for a majority of Ph.D.'s In Europe and Canada one applies separately to the Master’s and Ph.D. except in rare cases.</p>

<p>There is data that shows that Ph.D. students who enter with Master’s degrees complete their degrees faster and have lower attrition rates, suggesting they are better prepared. It would also seem to serve as a better sorting out process.</p>

<p>Something to think about here:</p>

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<p>Some good discussion here as well (for economics):</p>

<p>[Is</a> the lack of American Econ MA programs efficient?](<a href=“Is the lack of American Econ MA programs efficient? - PhD in Economics - Urch Forums”>Is the lack of American Econ MA programs efficient? - PhD in Economics - Urch Forums)</p>

<p>The nice thing about admitting Ph.D. students from undergrad is that they don’t have to go through the admissions process twice.</p>

<p>I am curious about the completion rates of American PhD students who have passed their qualifying exams vs Canadian PhD students who started their PhD with a Master’s degree under their belt already. I don’t think it is problematic at all that some American PhD students leave their program with a Master’s degree after 1-2 years. How is that different from their Canadian counterparts who choose not to pursue a PhD after completing a research-oriented Master’s degree?</p>

<p>But wouldn’t having a separate master’s be more efficient in terms of a sorting out process?</p>

<p>More efficient in terms of what? Going through two rounds of applications drains resources both from the applicant and from the department. </p>

<p>The separate Master’s degree might also encourage early specialization at the expense of breadth. Many PhD programs (in the sciences, at least) start with a year of foundational courses before they let students specialize. Master’s programs, in contrast, are usually much more focused and PhD programs that build up on Master’s degrees require no coursework whatsoever (in Europe, at least).</p>

<p>That system works well in Europe where undergraduate students spend 3-4 years studying nothing but their major. European students get their broad foundation during their undergraduate years, acquire specialized knowledge in a small branch of their field in their Master’s degree and finally spend their PhD time doing research (and research only). </p>

<p>I doubt that this system would work well in the US because an American undergraduate education is not focused enough to support specialization at the Master’s level.</p>