Valid point, but I tailored my reply to the topic of the thread.
Absolutely true. Fortunately, times have changed, and workplaces are now more accommodating to parents. Many white-collar jobs offer greater flexibility, with technology enabling meetings and communication from virtually anywhere. While not everyone has this privilege, many parents are able to benefit from work-from-home opportunities or jobs that donât require clocking in and out.
Of course, there are rolesâlike police officers, firefighters, and tradespeopleâthat canât be done remotely, highlighting the unique challenges faced by those in hands-on professions.
There was no way the job I had could be done remotely. But like I said, low pay and status and high pressure. Working shifts, weekend and holidays. And not without harrassmant issues. One of the hospitals I applied to advertised childcare on site, When I called and asked about it (didnât have kids yet, but Iâm a planner) they told me it was open from 8-5:30! In a hospital that was open 24/7? Huh?
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AI doesnât/wonât take PFML. What percentage of jobs that require a college degree will transition away from humans in the next 5-10 years?
Who has a more stable long-term career outlook, a female 2025 high school graduate that becomes a plumber, or one that goes to college for a business degree?
In Boston the 75th percentile salary for a Business Woman is $74,401. The 25th percentile salary is $39,104. Massachusetts is on the high end for salaries nationally.
The national average 75th percentile salary for a Journeyman Woman Plumber is $79,497. The national 25th percentile salary is $56,992.
I thought of this thread when this was shown on our local news segment, 9 at 9. They said it was a London police ad from the 1930s.
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Spinsters and widows for the âWomenâs Branch?â
Yikes.
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Yeah, and they must be âheftyâ, along with being to withstand a ârough and tumbleâ, along with being âfairly good lookingâ. Talk about sexism⊠
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Yep. It reminds me of what wouldâve happened to Mary in Itâs a Wonderful Life if George had never been bornâŠOh no, a spinster! Yikes, indeed.
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Reread my message. I didnât just refer to the academy; I also referred to a big whistleblower complaint involving a large CG base.
If you need more. Oversight Committee Releases Memorandum on Investigation into Misconduct at the U.S. Coast Guard - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
And, the current uproar about the coverup in the CG was in large part begun by a woman who calls herself Whistler McGee. See May 14, 2024: Whistler McGeeâs Email to U.S. Coast Guard Leaders. - Maritime Legal Aid & Advocacy Her Facebook page, created as a way to share stories, got input from lots of other CG members detailing their own horror stories.
Note: I did not see any citation for your stance. The inability to find dataânot just in this but in many situationsâis often more indicative of a cover up than the lack of a problem.
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Iâd still gamble on the degree. A college education gives one the skills to pivot when necessary. It opens doors and provides opportunities.
A relevant article from todayâs NPR:
TLDR:
â âIn an economy that depends on skilled labor, weâre falling short,â says Catharine Bond Hill, an economist, a former president of Vassar College and the managing director of the higher education consulting firm Ithaka S+R.
She points out that, based on NCES data, the United States has fallen to ninth among developed nations in the proportion of its 25-to-64-year-old population with any postsecondary degree.
âWe should be aiming for No. 1, and weâre not,â she says.
The diminishing supply of young people will contribute to âa massive labor shortage,â with an estimated 6 million fewer workers in 2032 than jobs needing to be filled, according to the labor market analytics firm Lightcast.
Not all of those jobs will call for a college education. But many will. Forty-three percent of them will require at least a bachelorâs degree by 2031, according to the Georgetown center. That means more jobs will demand some kind of postsecondary credentials than Americans are now projected to earn.
Still-unpublished research underway at Georgetown forecasts major shortages in teaching, health care and other fields, as well as some level of skills shortfalls in 151 occupations, Strohl says.
âIf we donât keep our edge in innovation and college-level education,â he says, âweâll have a decline in the economy and ultimately a decline in the living standard.ââ
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My S has a hands on job that requires a college degree. Heâs a field service engineer, installing and maintaining fancy scientific instruments. Itâs a field no one ever brought up in any of the career field presentations he sat through over the years. Itâs a great job for people like him, who have excellent critical thinking skills and who have zero interest in a desk job or job that is the same stuff every day. I wish that the kind of job he does would be offered as an option when kids are thinking about careers. He was fortunate to stumble into it. He works with a lot of females, so it is a hands on job that females may also enjoy.
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I said that I was just taking a guess, because I couldnât find any data. Apparently my guess was incorrect. I have Coast Guard members in my family, including one that was pretty high up before he retired so Iâd be curious to see what they have to say.
It is intriguing to think that they might actually be able to completely hide that data, as the numbers are surely out there, and you canât hide from the internet. Makes me wonder if they are combining Coast Guard numbers into the Navy, or something like that.
Yes, I did warn my D about the dangers created by being female. I would and did say ALL of the things you say you wouldnât EXCEPT for the one that âwomen arenât as capable as men,â which I donât believe. Saying that is very different from saying it might be hard, not many women do this, or you might be sexually assaulted.
Studies of rapes on college campuses have shown that over half are committed the first six weeks of school. Almost all the victims are freshmen and first-semester sophomores. Most of the sophomores hadnât lived on a college campus beforeâtheyâd gotten advanced credit for AP/DE courses or lived at home while attending a CC.
Thereâs a reason for that; they are more naive. Moreover, they havenât built up a friend network that looks out for them, e.g., when they have had too much to drink. They havenât heard who the âoverly aggressiveâ guys or which frats to avoid through the rumor mill.
A lot of years now, a young neighbor of mine joined the Peace Corps straight out of college. The Peace Corps is another organization in which , at least until recently, women are highly likely to be raped.
My neighbor had a serious boyfriend. They both volunteered for the Peace Corps. He got assigned to a different country. With his help, she lied and said she was already married. She wore a wedding band. He wrote her lots of letters and put in phrases like âmy dear wifeâ or âyour loving husband, X.â (She was fully aware that there is no expectation that letters wonât be read. The PC had warned everyone of that.) She told her host family that they had intended to serve together and that the PC recruiter made it seem as if they would, but when they got to the end of the process and got their assignments, they were told that to serve together, you already had to be married when you began the process. They had applied senior year of college, gotten married that summer, and then gone into the PC. There were repercussions for quitting, including paying back hefty sums for the foreign language instruction. That was money they didnât have. So they stayed in. She was aware that her host family soon told that story to everyone in the small village in which she was working.
Her parents were part of it. They would write that they had heard from âyour mother in lawâ etc. in their letters.
She also had a photo of the two of them together, both wearing wedding bands, in her room.
They did this because she had investigated and learned that in the country to which she was assigned, a woman living on her own or traveling on her own was considered fair prey. Women arenât supposed to do these things. But thereâs an exception for married women, especially for married women whose husbands are working overseas. So, as ludicrous as it may seem, wearing a wedding band gives some measure of protection. Under that countryâs laws, itâs a more serious offense to rape a married woman.
She only did about 14 months of her expected 2 year tour because the PC pulled all PC volunteers out of that country due to physical assaults on them, especially against the women. She later learned that she was the only woman in that country in her cohort that wasnât raped at least once. The real reasons for the withdrawal were never made public.
Now, you can think that was she did was unethical, but I think it was smart. (She and her BF are now married and have children.)
So, busdriver11, you can be proud of the fact that you were âso ignorant.â As a mother of a D, however, I would NOT be proud if my D was ignorant. I saw it as part of my job to make sure she wasnât.
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I suppose that you have no idea what I felt I was ignorant of. It had nothing to do with sexual assault. I was ignorant of the fact that when I showed up, there were almost no women in undergraduate pilot training. I was ignorant that I was going to be in a bright spotlight, which, as an introvert, I would not have chosen. I was ignorant that many men disliked the thought of female aviators and wanted us to fail. I was ignorant that I was going to be one of the early cadres of female AF pilots. I was ignorant that people thought that women couldnât or shouldnât do certain jobs reserved for men. Had I known this ahead of time, it would have been a huge barrier for me, and I may not have even considered it, but being brought up in an environment where I raised to never consider not doing something because I was female, this was all surprising. Perhaps âignorantâ is the wrong word, and âunawareâ would be more palatable.
I AM proud that my parents raised me and my sister this way. My dad, flaws and all (and he had so many issues, we canât even pin down one mental illness) did a social experiment with his daughters, and it worked for me. I always felt empowered, and that was a gift.
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When I was trying to figure out what to pursue, I thought of law & teaching because that was what my parents did. Tried teaching as a tutor all through HS and college and over summers and decided I couldnât be with kids all day and then be nurturing to my own family.
When I decided to try law, dad initially discouraged me because itâs not âfeminine.â I told him I still was interested and to his credit he got he several clerkships where I cemented my desire to become an attorney.
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Iâm glad it worked out for you. Still, I continue to believe that a young woman who is ignorant or unaware is more likely to end up in a bad situation.
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Maybe. But sometimes oblivion of what societies expectations are of you are exactly what you need. A woman really doesnât need to know every possible way she can fail and what hurdles she might have to overcome. When I used to talk to women about flying, Iâd hear the same thing over and over. Itâs so hard and intimidating, so many men, so scary, blah, blah. No, itâs not. Like with any of these predominantly male jobs, if youâre interested, forget about the fear, forget about the men, just do it. The more women that make strides in these industries, the more normalized it will be, and even more women will follow.
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That article is incoherent and misstates statistics to support the âfront rowâ view held by NPR listeners that everyone should go to college (and that we presumably need to allow in lots of immigrants).
The statistics quoted are that â43% of new jobs will require at least a bachelorâs degreeâ but that 62% of high school graduates go straight to college (ie more go later). That means any expected labor shortage is mainly in jobs that donât require a degreeâŠ
âCollegeâ can include community college with goals other than a BA/BS. For example, fire academy can be hosted at a community college, and police departments may require some college course work before police academy. The skilled trades may also have academic requirements that an entrants may attend community college for if not fulfilled in high school.
Of course, fire academy, police academy, and skilled trades apprenticeships are types of post high school education, because the jobs require skills significantly greater than what a high school graduate is assumed to have.
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The quoted study is here: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa
It states that 45% of high school graduates go straight to a 4 year college. Add in those students who go on from community college to get a BA/BS and those who go later and itâs still clear that any shortage is more amongst jobs that donât require a bachelorâs degree than those that do.