<p>This opinion is based on what I’ve heard about LSP, which (from my current understanding) comprises students that were not accepted into their first choice schools.</p>
<p>I think NYU should reject such students altogether rather than giving them “another chance” via the LSP system. Not only do LSP students inflate the overall admission rate, but the average SAT/ACT and GPA scores of LSP students are apparently lower than those of other NYU students, which would result in lower average SAT/ACT and GPA scores in the incoming student profile.</p>
<p>If NYU wants to continue its upward trajectory, it needs to cut out the fat and continue concentrating on increasing the average quality of its undergraduate student body, which is largely reflected in the aforementioned scores. In general, NYU’s student body quality is relatively high compared to the quality of student bodies at the vast majority of universities, but needs to be even higher to fare more successfully against competing top tier universities.</p>
<p>I’ve got to LSP with SAT 2030, which, according to collegeboard, is the median score for NYU students. I had GPA much higher than the median for NYU. So I guess it is at least unfair to talk about LSP students being of lower quality than the others. the fact that the university has lots of space does not mean that it is inferior.</p>
<p>@Vihzel - I think LSP mostly has CAS rejects, not Stern rejects.</p>
<p>Personally, I see no problem with LSP as a spin-off of NYU, but I think it can’t continue to be an integral part of the University. There needs to be a concrete distinction, not just a guaranteed flow through to CAS. The fact that LSP grads are not distinguishable from CAS grads, because they matriculate into CAS, cheapens the value of my CAS diploma, I think. When I compare NYU to USC (which does not have an LSP type program), I am struck by how similar the two universities are, except for the one without LSP (USC), is ranked 10 places higher.</p>
<p>Wow I must admit that I am a bit put off by all of this “elitism”. Is the higher ranking because of lack of LSP? That is highly, highly debatable. There could be very little relation.</p>
Hm, I’m not so sure NYU makes “100 millions a year in profits” from LSP. Can you substantiate this claim somehow?</p>
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If NYU allowed transfers, that would effectively be giving rejects a “second chance” without potentially compromising admission statistics as much. *</p>
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Your SAT score is that of one LSP student, which by itself doesn’t say much about the average scores of all LSP students, which is what I was discussing in my opening post. Btw, where are you finding this median score and how was it calculated? Whether or not this equals the official median (debatable depending on the method of determination), note that if the data used in calculating the median includes scores by other LSP students, such scores may (or may not) be “pulling down the median” in the sense that the median would (or would not) have been higher had the scores of LSP students been excluded. *</p>
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<li>I just want to reiterate that the belief that LSP students having lower SAT/ACT or GPA scores on average compared to the corresponding scores of other NYU students is based on what I’ve heard from various sources, but I have yet to find an authoritative source confirming this. It’s possible I’m wrong about the scores. Perhaps there would be clarification if NYU publicly provided definitive criteria for admission to LSP somewhere.</li>
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It seems possible that there could be very little relation … or there could be a very significant relation. Also, it’s not the potential compromise of higher rankings that is of primary concern, but rather the average quality of the student body as measured by relevant factors such as academic scores.</p>
<p>NYU wants money and profits, and of course allowing in students for whom this was their “reach”, and therefore them likely willing to pay more (either through family or loans, since NYU doesn’t cover need for anybody pretty much) leads to a smart business and clear business decision. Will going 5 spots higher in rankings bring in as much additional revenue? Unlikely, as NYU already is pretty much the biggest dream school in the country in terms of non-ivies (as shown every year by surveys by Princeton Review and etc.). Therefore jumping in the rankings will not increase applicants (and therefore application fee revenue and name recognition), as NYU already receives more applications than any school ranked above it pretty much (many ivies get only half as many applicants as NYU) and with the ED system and all that it gets enough people to actually come. </p>
<p>Therefore if I were a NYU admin trying to maximize my university’s name-recognition and revenue, of course I would choose to keep LSP. It’s a program that gives people second chances if they are willing to pay and provides the university with great monetary benefit, which it can then hopefully use to increase financial aid a little bit along with its quality in the expensive Manhattan environment.</p>
<p>I don’t see any reason why NYU would see it in its self-interest to eliminate LSP.</p>
<p>@Vihzel - I don’t think my post is particularly “elitist”. Are you put off by the fact that NYU rejected 2/3+ of all applicants? Is NYU therefore an elitist school? I don’t think so. I don’t think the fact that I got into CAS makes me any better than those who got into LSP or less selective universities. All I am saying is that it is important to maintain NYU’s reputation.</p>
<p>For whoever posted a difference between USC and NYU:</p>
<p>They are very similar, however. The reason USC is ranked higher is, more likely than not, because of their financial aid. </p>
<p>NYU, on average, according to collegeboard, meet 69% of need.
USC, on average, according to collegeboard, meet 100% of need. </p>
<p>Financial resources per student are listed at 10% of the criteria. Another large part of ranking has to do with HS counselor opinion. Which, since NYU is known for giving bad aid, HS counselors are more likely to favor USC over NYU.</p>
<p>The school that you are referring to is SCPS (School of Continuing and Professional Studies). It’s very confusing as to how the admissions works there. I believe that Tisch is part of the undergraduate statistics with NYU but I know that the McGhee division is not. SCPS, in general, does not follow the same admissions process as the rest of NYU… or that could simply be the McGhee division. I’ve only applied to the McGhee vision of SCPS and know for sure that they aren’t part of the statistic as they don’t require SATs and follow a holistic approach to applications. </p>
<p>How do you know that they accept students with 1700-1800 SATs? There aren’t any admissions stats for the school.</p>
<p>Stern doesn’t have an LSP track any more apparently. And personally I’ve always thought of Transfers as the second chance. But I don’t really have anything against LSPers, they’re great people with a different academic path. I just really want NYU to do what is necessary to increase financial aid, the crappy financial aid probably keeps so many great students from coming here and puts the ones that are here in a tough bind.</p>
<p>Vihzel, my post was based solely on one of my classmates who got in for hotel management with only a 17-something SAT and barely top 50% of the class. He decided by Jr. Year he was going to NYU, everybody told him he wouldn’t get in. He showed them ;D</p>
<p>The problem is you think like a high schooler and not someone familiar with how universities function. NYU is not some kid on CC obsessed with SAT scores. It is a private business focused on maximizing profits as much as financially possible while improving the quality of education and expanding opportunities for students. </p>
<p>Sure LSP, as well as SCPS, Tisch, and Steinhardt all have lower SAT/ACT scores on average compared to Stern and CAS. Who cares? Those schools specifically look beyond test scores/GPA to find students that are a good “fit”.</p>
<p>HS kids on CC spend so much time worried about Admissions, Rankings, and other crap that in real life matters very little to people after age 17. There are a lot of things NYU could do to kiss Princeton Review’s ass (cut down average class size for one) but the university frankly does not give a rat’s ass, I promise you. </p>
<p>JSex (NYU Pres) frequently has sessions where he sits down with groups of students and faculty and talks openly about his plans for the university. Can you guess how many times his “goals” have included rankings? ;)</p>