<p>I am just confirming what goes on R-Day with medical examinations cause I hear it is very public. </p>
<p>I know there is:</p>
<p>Dental Exam</p>
<p>Full Physical</p>
<p>Urinalysis</p>
<p>Eye Exam</p>
<p>Foot Exam?</p>
<p>I’m not sure… but I would imagine that medical stuff like this should be personal. And more so that the urinalysis should be a bit private… someone told me that they watch you pee in the cup. Not enough that u have to pee into a cup… but they stare at you when they do.</p>
<p>Can anyone who has gone to beast dispel this rumor? (I heard this from a disgruntled ex-cadet who dropped out)… may have been he was just joking.</p>
<p>I know at USMAPS you are watched while urinating. This is common in some law enforcement positions also. They need to make sure that the urine is yours. There are many tricks out there to try to “beat the system”.</p>
<p>Nothing too odd about watching someone untrustworthy taking the test. However, I am quite upset by the fact they trust the the Corps of Cadets that little being that there is such a strict honor code. It was explained to me that the p*ss test is given in order to “demonstrate how to perform the test they will give their subordinates in the army and to ensure they themselves adhere to the policies they will be testing.”</p>
<p>What bothers me more is that there is no way to dispute the urinalysis results (this is what I heard). A West Point Cadet’s word is supposed to be considered factual unless he has been “found” to be unworthy of such and thus separated. People will beat the system no matter what. They should know that and place more emphasis on trust.</p>
<p>I don’t know about West Point, but at USMAPS there were also random (and I mean 4:00 a.m., waking CC’s out of bed random) drug tests given throughout the year. I don’t know if it was because of suspicion, but I don’t think so. I’m not sure what West Point’s policy is, though.</p>
<p>Okay everyone, if you’re going to USMA, WELCOME TO THE ARMY–the ARMY STANDARD AND REGULATIONS (which apply to cadets) mandates that observers watch the individuals during urinalysis. You will have one in Beast, and maybe they do one on R-day during in-processing, but expect an early morning wake up (as most are) on one of your first few days where you will have the urinalysis with upperclassmen as observers. This is the way the Army works and MUST work in order to ensure compliance with a drug free Army. While the majority of people that get in are good apples, not all are…just like the Soldiers you will lead. Regardless, the Army regulation has it that way. You will have random and 100% urinalysis’ during the Academic Year as well; as a LT you’ll get a 0400 in the morning call telling you that when you arrive at PT that morning it will be a urinalysis, or you’ll just show up…and it goes for everyone, everytime.</p>
<p>ADA - there’s a quick, thirty second, “stand on this line, read that chart on the wall” eye exam. The hearing tests are during the academic year. </p>
<p>Urinalysis will be completed in the first few days. Normally, the night before, you’re just told “Drink a quart of water before you go to bed.” The observer is very impersonal, but yes, they do watch you pee in the cup. Urinalysis is also completed during the school year. Everyone in the company is checked once a semester. Some companies draw random numbers until everyone has gone, other just do everyone all at once, with a makeup for the observers later on. It’s not that big of a deal. They’ll wake you up at 0500 and take you down to the dayroom. People drink water till it’s their turn, and it’s pretty quick. Observers are always of the same gender, if that’s your issue. </p>
<p>Dental exam - Dental is sometime during first detail of Beast. They will take everyone through the clinic on post. You will also be fitted for a mouthguard at this time. The dentists will look at your teeth and annotate any cavities to be filled during the academic year. </p>
<p>Full physical - this was taken care of during the DODMERB process, that’s not an issue on R-Day.</p>
<p>Feet check - these happen every mile during the first few road marches, and every two to three during the longer ones towards the end. Everyone will drop rucks and take their boots and socks off. Cadre will come around and check for hot spots and blisters, and have the medics take care of any issues. You’ll change your socks, and maybe your boots, and keep on walking till the next check.</p>
<p>I am a very open person so I don’t care… so there isn’t an issue I was just surprised coming from a non-military family because I am sure there would be someone in the civilian world who would cause a problem over such a procedure.</p>
<p>about the eye exam… I read someone that you’re eyes have to be corrected to 20/20 and 20/40, but my right eye is terrible like 20/80 or something. I qualified in the DoDMERB exam, but will I fail at West Point because my right eye is terrible.</p>
<p>If DoDMERB didn’t catch it for whatever reason you could be in a jumble. If its noted on the paperwork and its disqualifying they would have notified you. If not, its not disqualifying.</p>
<p>Did you tell you DoDMERB eye doctor you were glasses? Did you fill out the optical gray card and send it to West Point?</p>
<p>If you covered your bases you will be fine. If for some reason your written down as 20/20 everywhere they will think you were trying to hide it. (somehow cheating on your DoDMERB) This would be a serious problem.</p>
<p>It’s corrected to 20/60ish, I told to eye doctor that examined me for DoDMERB that I had glasses, and even that my school thought I was color-blind so nothing would be hidden. I did all the tests DoDMERB sent me including the gray card, but I know I don’t meet the 20/40 standard in my right eye. The 20/60ish is closer to 20/80 than 20/40.</p>
<p>Hmm, “thought” you were color-blind? You shouldn’t report anything thats not surefire, ie reported in medical records somewhere. I am not saying to cheat, but you might get overtested or something or the doctor might want to find something wrong. On the colorblind test, I missed one, it was no biggie, but if you told them you thought you might be color-blind they might just assume the worst. Idk. I personally can often see all the dots for the number that you see if your color-blind and the one you see if your not, maybe that means I am to some extent. Who knows, but I can distinguish red from green, so the Army loves me for that.</p>