Some Advice from a Future Penn '15

<p>Hi everyone,</p>

<p>I’m going to start off by pointing out that I really stink at the internet. This is my second try at posting, the first one didn’t work out too well. So I apologize in advance if it comes off as rushed (or frustrated…).</p>

<p>Anyway, a little background on myself: I’ve seen this website a couple times before, and it seems like a useful resource for people going through the application process. That said, I googled a question I had about Penn today and was directed to the Penn CollegeConfidential forum. I discovered two things: one, that there are a lot of very anxious people here, and two, that a lot of the same questions are being asked. I think I can help to answer some of those questions.</p>

<p>I’m not too worried about anonymity, as everything I post here has already been made public, but I’m going to withhold my name for safety reasons. It’s funny, in looking through this forum for five minutes, I’ve already discovered two people whom I am fairly certain I know in person. So they should be able to identify me rather quickly regardless! Anyway, I recently received an athletic likely letter to Penn–specifically the Huntsman Program. The process was rather complicated, but I learned a lot from it, and I hope that in passing on much of what I learned to you, it will help you as well. As all of this took place in the past month, I believe it should still be accurate and applicable. So here goes nothing…</p>

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<li><p>Page 217 no longer exists. Really. I promise.</p></li>
<li><p>There seems to be some minor angst about the change of the supplement length from 250 to 500 words. I wrote mine when the limit was 250, but submitted my application shortly after they changed it to 500. My essay was about 300 words, one page, double-spaced. I think it was the strongest essay I wrote. So for those who are frustrated or worried because you wrote the essay with the lower limit, I say don’t change it unless you want to change it. Unless adding information will improve it. I think the AdCom valued the conciseness of my essay, and there’s something to be said for efficient writing.</p></li>
<li><p>I saw one post where the poster had a high ACT score, a good-but-not-fantastic SAT score, and high SAT II scores. I had that setup as well, and I submitted all of my scores–including the SAT. That’s what they require. Yes, there’s no way to enforce it, but it comes down to morals and ethics. And it won’t negatively impact your application.</p></li>
<li><p>For those concerned with applying to Wharton (or any dual-degree program involving it) sans extensive business experience: I did have some experience with theoretical economics and a good amount of leadership, but the closest I came to starting a business or working a financial internship was a lemonade stand I ran with my brother for a day when I was 11. We did make 75 bucks in three hours, however, not too shabby! :smiley: . They don’t expect high schoolers to be Wall Street traders, web-moguls, or established entrepreneurs. (I really can’t spell that word.) While all that helps you, it’s not necessary. Passion is necessary.</p></li>
<li><p>Huntsman-specific advice: some people were discussing how to prove language proficiency. I did so with the SAT II; a score of 700 or above should be fine, though the higher the better. You could also use AP scores, or just demonstrate it through the classes you take or any study abroad you’ve done. It’s pretty open, the only requirement being that if you plan to target a language in which the SAT II is offered, you are required to take it.</p></li>
<li><p>While I earned an 800 on the Math IIC SAT II, it’s not “required” for admission to Wharton. Nor is BC Calculus. I met some of the current Huntsmanites, and one of them hadn’t even taken calculus before she got to Penn. So don’t worry about your 4 on AB or your 720–it’s not going to break you.</p></li>
<li><p>Pour your heart into your essays. I had short window of time to work on my application: about a week’s notice to put it all together. But I worked my bottom off in that time, and even though an essay can never be perfect, I came out with something I was proud of, and something I felt provided an accurate representation of my personality, interests, skills, and accomplishments. So many amazing people apply to schools like Penn each year–why not take the chance to shine? Regardless of how your admission ends up, everything will work out in the end. You’ll end up where you’re meant to be, even if it’s not your first choice, and you’ll love it. :)</p></li>
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<p>I’ll be happy to answer any followup questions people have about my application process or applying in general on this thread. If you have questions you’d rather not share publicly, feel free to PM me. Also, I’d be glad to make suggestions for/edit anyone’s essays (especially the Huntsman ones…simply because I think they’ll be especially interesting to read), just post on here or PM me and I will provide you my email address. Additionally, if anyone would like to see my statistics, send over a PM as well.</p>

<p>Finally, for any of you who may question the legitimacy of my advice because you believe recruiting played a factor in my admission, I have this to say: Huntsman admits roughly 60 students per year. They do not waste those spots on applicants who are not academically qualified, and for that reason, they explicitly state that they do not allow athletics or other traditional “hooks” to factor into their decision. I went through the same, strict process as you will, and for that reason I believe my advice still stands.</p>

<p>Good luck to all of you and I hope to see you next year as members of the Class of 2015!</p>

<p>Oh, quickly glancing through the last two pages (that’s how I initially picked out which topics I would address) I found one other I missed.</p>

<p>Dual-degree application length: Mine was 2.5 pages, single-spaced (it was really more of a mini research paper than an essay…) and some I read were near that length, though a bit shorter. Others, however, were around a page, which is a perfect length as well. Though I’m no AdCom, I believe that it’s not about the length of your writing, but your writing itself. I knew a lot about my topic and felt that to not address it fully would’ve had a negative impact. The topic itself was also significantly larger than it seemed, and I worried that writing a shorter essay wouldn’t reveal my true knowledge on the issue. Yet everything I said contributed to an overall argument; there wasn’t any information piling. That said, I don’t think the Huntsman admissions people will be too happy with me if they get a whole bunch of semi-research papers! Write as long as you need, and avoid just writing to take up words.</p>

<p>Wait, how are you “in” already…
or did you have a Gap year?</p>

<p>From the Ivy League Athletics Admission Statement: </p>

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<li><p>Admissions Offices at each Ivy school may offer some athletic and other candidates a “likely” letter, which has the effect of a formal letter of admission provided the candidate continues to have a satisfactory secondary school experience. Coaches may initiate the requests for these letters, but only the office of admission can issue a"likely" letter. </p></li>
<li><p>Admissions decisions will be communicated only by official written notification from Admissions Offices, by notification in Early Action, Early Decision or regular processes, or by likely letters after October 1, which are confirmed by one of those notifications. No other indication of a possible positive admissions result is or should be considered reliable. </p></li>
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<p>–<a href=“http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/applying/ivyleague.php”>http://www.admissions.upenn.edu/applying/ivyleague.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>If anyone is considering taking the recruited athlete path, the above link has a lot of useful information.</p>

<p>So it is athletic :frowning:
No offense.</p>

<p>No offense, but the admissions officers may hate you for writing an essay 2.5 pages single spaced… considering they have to read hundreds a day.</p>

<p>Euroazn: read the last sentence of my first post. The timing was based on athletics, the admissions outcome was not.</p>

<p>Quakertastesgood: Generally, I agree with you, though I’d say “hate” is a bit strong. Admittedly for me, it’s fairly safe to say they had only my application to evaluate that day, but that doesn’t apply in a general context. The quantity of Huntsman applications evaluated per day is likely also less than that of the general applicant pool. Anyway, overall I’d say the more efficient your writing, the better, for exactly the reason you pointed out.</p>

<p>No offense taken :)</p>

<p>Quaker… the admissions outcome was very likely based on Atheltics… not saying that you are an underqualifed student, I am just saying that adcom is looking at everything you’ve achieved (stats and ecs and all) with the fact that you’ve spent a giant bulk of your time on athletics.</p>

<p>Euro: check your PMs</p>

<p>If anyone has further questions on the applicability of my advice, I can forward you the PM I sent Euro explaining more fully why I believe as I do, otherwise, let’s get back to the subject at hand :)</p>

<p>Quaker 2B…</p>

<p>You’re first name wouldn’t happen to rhyme with Lara would it?</p>

<p>Hehe I just realized your name is like…“Quaker To Be” I feel accomplished</p>

<p>And yours wouldn’t happen to rhyme with Ike would it?
…Two can play this game :stuck_out_tongue:
(and yup, “Quaker to be”)</p>

<p>ooo how didya know</p>

<p>and do you think 600-700 is too much for the supplement?</p>

<p>Pretty impressive eh? Considering your only two posts were to ask me who I was. Birthday, username, overall context. Mostly birthday.</p>

<p>I have a feeling a lot of them will be within that range, but if you can condense it wouldn’t hurt. Does it fit on a page single spaced? I can look over it if you want and find anything cut-worthy.</p>

<p>Uh oh…>.< After reading this it’s got me sorta freaking out…I am a native speaker in Mandarin, which is the language I was hoping to focus on. However most of the resources I looked up suggested against taking the SATII if u were a native speaker, and the AP course for it was not offered, so I didn’t plan on it…will this hurt/obliterate my chances?</p>

<p>Thanks for the offer, but I have somebody helping me right now. Gonna submit my app tonight :D</p>

<p>Nevermind: If it’s not too late, I’d do the late registration for the Mandarin SAT II in November; the reason people discourage that is probably either 1) the percentiles are pretty whack since a lot of native speakers take it, or 2) taking an SAT II in your native language is sort of looked down upon. However, Huntsman is pretty set on having an SAT II in the language you intend to target, if it is offered, so while it probably won’t disqualify you to not have it, it certainly can’t hurt to take it (assuming you do fine). I’m no Admissions Committee, that’s just the sense I got from the website.</p>

<p>“Kungpao”/rhymes with Ike: Good luck!</p>