Son not interested in college or work

Know that we’ve all posted things we would like to change.

The parents here all understand your struggle on some level. Of course you want what’s best for your son. And it’s hard to understand his struggle with something that seems like it should be so easy: Get up and go to college like everyone else. I think that, until we face a struggle like the one your family is facing, it’s hard to imagine how someone can struggle with it.

We know that you’re good parents-- that you’re trying as best you can with conflicting advice and trying to balance your love for your son with what’s best for him.

Look into the education laws in your state. Some states have several types of high school diplomas, and it might be that a lesser diploma is in his reach.



Another option is to skip the rest of high school and go straight to community college. Again, states will vary on the programs they allow. My D had a friend who skipped her senior year of HS. She got a conditional acceptance to an LAC, with the requirement she enroll in courses her first year that would complete what she was missing from her HS transcript.



I am not suggesting this for now, but hoping you will check out your state’s laws. I find that researching and knowing my options helps me to cope with the unknown future.



It seems you are being told that college freshman status can be lost just by failure to enroll in college. Please ask questions and clarify your understanding of this huge point. If your son does not enroll in any college courses, he does not lose his freshman status.



I understand that you have another child who will attend college in the coming years, so of course you don’t want to overlap tuition expenses. But the basic premise is that your child has some time to regroup and still apply as a freshman.



This is a safe place to vent. There are, unfortunately, many parents with experience dealing with children and mental health issues.



Have you been referred to NAMI yet? ThIs is a huge thread, and this great organization may have been mentioned way earlier. I strongly suggest you connect with NAMI for education and support.

GED is one option, PM me for another option for a diploma. One of mine is a performer and skipped senior year of high school.

Also we have experienced several schools who give the same aid to transfers as to freshmen

Brown- hug to you. For sure, this is not how you thought you’d be earning your “parenting badge”.

One suggestion from a friend who has been there… she told me that every time she thought of kicking her kid out, doing any of the “tough love” things that well meaning therapists, friends, and relatives insisted would “do the trick”, she’d replace “suicidal and depressed” in her head with “needs a kidney transplant” or “has ALS”.

Bottom line- something that feels cruel and unnecessarily punitive to a kid with a diagnosis requiring meds, procedures, an Rx which outsiders understand- is likely cruel and punitive for a kid facing significant mental health challenges.

It worked for her. Kept her from feeling torn in 30 directions whenever someone suggested that sticking a kid who is suicidal in a homeless shelter for a few weeks would 'cure him".

I agree with the folks who have suggested putting your college concerns on the back burner for now. Life is a marathon, not a sprint, and keeping the ball in play during this very challenging time is for sure the only thing that matters. College will be there when your son is ready. A career will be there when your son is ready. You’ve gotten some good advice here-- refocus as a family. Keep your son’s near term needs in view and let go of the long range stuff for now.

You are not a failure for having a child with mental health issues (would you blame yourself if your kid needed a kidney transplant?) Your family has not failed because you have a kid who is not following the path you thought he’d follow. Perhaps your son could benefit from a couple of weeks of a “vacation from long range planning” where the entire family follows a regime of baking cookies, weeding the yard, taking walks after supper, playing checkers before bedtime, turning on the sprinklers for the 5 year olds on your block, asking grandma (or an elderly neighbor) if she wants to go out for ice cream and talk about the Red Sox (or your favorite team). i.e. nothing intellectual, nothing requiring organizational skills or executive functioning. See if a few very chill weeks with moronic but fun activities doesn’t dial down the temperature at home.

Hugs to you. And agree 100%- if the therapist starts suggesting things which feel wrong and horrible, find another therapist.

One of our kids has struggled since middle school.

We went through a couple therapists until we found a skilled DBT therapist whose practice included weekly individual sessions in addition to a weekly group session where peers did a DBT course together. This approach resonated with our daughter & she has made progress.

She’s super bright, yet she wrestles with emotional demons.

I have found NAMI meetings to be very helpful. Lots of parents told stories of kids who seemed to veer off-track sometime in high school. We were told the late teens and early 20s are a window where mental illness often emerges.

At one time I read in a book something along the lines that difficult kids need our unconditional love and support turned up high, which can be hard to do when, as a parent, you wish things were different.

We have to remind ourselves to love the kid we’ve got, and to not fall into that trap of wishing she were different, wishing things were different and thereby increasing our suffering.

Hugs OP. This has to be very hard. And I think most of us totally understand posting here out of frustration things you would not say to your kid.

Seems like the most immediate concern is whether he will go to HS this fall and determining if his depression is really under control. Given that he keeps saying no to everything, is he really OK?. Is there a reason (beyond why should I have to go to school because society says I have to) he doesn’t want to go back to HS? What does he say he would he do instead?

I understand letting a kid have time to heal and to work on mental health issues, but if the depression is managed with medication, does the kid still need to not finish High school? I would have a hard time allowing a HS-aged kid that was not depressed (or has a different mental health challenge) sit at home and not go to school. How do you really tell the difference? That may be why the professionals are saying that the kid may need a bit of tough love or help forging a path. Online gaming all day with a big of dog walking does not seem like enough, assuming he is mentally healthy. If he is not, of course that is very different.

College is a different story. If you have x dollars for him to go to college, that is what he should get. If he decides to wait and things are more expensive, that would be on him.

regarding high school:

If he feels ready to go back in the fall, can he do a reduced schedule? I had depression in high school and it was too draining to go through 7 hours of being around people.

One of my friends has a daughter with health issues. She finished high school using the home school program by Univ of Nebraska. She could work on the academics when she was strong enough. The course work was interesting without having the high pressure AP work.

I struggled with depression and anxiety for years through college and graduate school. (Mostly under control now.) I also studied mental health and substance use for my PhD and worked with college students at-risk for mental health as a residential hall director.

First of all, it’s actually not super baffling that the mental health professionals aren’t concerned about the suicidal ideation. Suicidal ideation is a spectrum that goes from idle existential thoughts to extensive plans and attempts. Suicidal ideation is actually very common and the majority of people who have suicidal thoughts do not attempt to commit suicide. At my worst, I thought of death and suicide often (and still do, sometimes, on low days) but have never made an attempt. I have also talked to lots and lots of college students who have had suicidal ideation but were not a real danger to themselves and never made the attempt, and went on to thrive.

There are key things that mental health professionals look for to see if someone is truly a danger to themselves; one of those key things is a plan. You can directly ask someone: do you have a plan to kill yourself? Have you made plans before, or thought about how you would do it? Have you tried? Answers to those questions are most crucial, but in reality, the vast majority of people who have suicidal thoughts have not made plans much less attempts. Death is simply the only way they can think of to take away the pain that they’re feeling, and so they wish for it. (It doesn’t mean that they’re not at risk and don’t need monitoring, but it also doesn’t mean that they need to be locked down.)

It doesn’t mean that they are an immediate risk or need an ambulance or hospital hold right away, nor does it mean that the professionals are doing anything wrong by not committng him. And actually, overreacting to depressed people’s confessions CAN be harmful, depending on how it’s done. Talking about suicide is not harmful, but acting in a very stressed out or over-the-top way can make people (especially adolescents) withdraw and not want to talk anymore. It’s really important to be non-judgmental.

Second, it’s really common and understandable that he doesn’t want to “do anything.”

It’s hard to understand if you have never suffered from depression, but when you are depressed, there IS no future. I’m a bright, intelligent, hardworking person with an Ivy League PhD, several publications and prestigious awards to my name. And when I was at my nadir, I felt completely worthless and stupid, and things were never going to get any better. You see no future. The future looks like a black hole - bleak, unrelenting, unforgiving, and filled with more pain and anguish. Living for more months and years is literally a painful prospect and you don’t want it. It’s hard enough to get up and put one foot in front of the other much less make plans for the future. When I was at my worst, I didn’t want to shower, I didn’t want to eat, I didn’t want to talk, I didn’t want to think. I just wanted to lie there, and do nothing, and wait for death. (I know that sounds morbid - but I say it to convey understanding.)

So trying to be pushed to plan college classes or think about where you might want to go or what you want to do during a gap year - that is literally painful. It’s so overwhelming, it’s nearly impossible to handle. And the worst part is that being unable to handle it just makes you feel worse, because you feel stupid and worthless for being incapable of doing stuff. Even if you know you’re sick, you can’t help the way your brain constantly attacks you until you spiral down a black hole of despair.

Depression is more than just sadness; it literally warps your thinking and twists people’s words and intentions on horrible ways. Parents who are gently trying to “encourage” you to exercise or get you to plan some gap year for yourself are, in you mind, calling you fat and lazy and stupid and you think they’re right.

Anger is a common manifestation of depression, especially among boys and men. There’s actually some emerging research showing that depression is heavily underdiagnosed in men because most of what we know about depression has come from studying (mostly white, middle-class) women. But irritability and anger are definitely symptoms, too - including the (to you) nonsensical anger that you were even brought into this world. That’s not necessarily indicative that there’s something else going on.

Catastrophizing (thinking that we’re all about to be sucked into a black hole, for example) is also not uncommon for depressed folks. Often the catastrophizing takes the form of whatever you’re good at, so that makes sense for a physics-interested kid. When I was in the throes of depression, I had recurring thoughts of global pandemics (an airborne form of HIV was a common one for me - I used to be an HIV researcher) and overpopulation and famine ending the world. Thoughts of death in various forms, not just suicide, are hallmarks of depression.

Whoo, I just went to a dark place remembering all that.

Another important thing to remember is that depression isn’t necessarily a 24 hour thing, and/or people can be good at hiding it. People who are depressed can have bouts of limited happiness, or even smile, or engage in some hobbies. I finished a whole PhD while suffering though depression and an anxiety disorder. You can still be struggling mightily on the inside to keep it together. It sounds like he’s made some progress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he is ready for the big steps of looking at or applying to college.

Thanks @juillet for sharing.

Yes, @juillet, it really helps to get your perspective. As someone who has never suffered from depression or anxiety, it’s hard for me to understand what my kids go through. They don’t like to share too much. So I appreciate hearing what it’s like for you. Hugs!!

@juillet Thank you so much for sharing. It is incredibly scary when he is in his lows, but those that have evaluated him do not seemed like it is a threat. Your story helps me a great deal.

@juillet - wow. Great post, thank you.

Thank you Juliet for sharing your story.