<p>The boyfriend’s mom speaks - very classy:</p>
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<p>It’s too bad that some friend of her BF’s decided to assault or pick a fight with Rossman. If he hadn’t, perhaps they would have gone to her room and collapsed for the night, since apparently they were both very, very drunk.</p>
<p>What, exactly, was Rossman supposed to do? Could he FORCE her to stay at her own apt? How? Once they got back to his place, he apparently passed out and was put to bed by Mike Beth. If they all conspired to hide her body, why would Beth give him an out? Seems obvious that no matter what, Rossman had nothing to do with what happened to her (or her body). She then decided to go to Rosenbaum’s apt. What was Beth supposed to do? Could he FORCE her not to? Tie her up or something? Obviously rational behavior was long ago out the window, or she would have stayed at her own apt in the first place. </p>
<p>Rosenbaum admits she was there, as does Beth. They say they tried to persuade her to sleep on the couch at either apt, and she refused. How are they supposed to FORCE her? Are you all advocating that they should have physically overpowered her, which obviously it would not be hard to do? Conversely, if she died and they panicked, how exactly did they dispose of her body so thoroughly without using either of their cars? Presumably, she wasn’t put in a dumpster, since the landfill was thoroughly searched.</p>
<p>And it now appears that other people were at Rosenbaum’s apt that night, and the police know who they are. Either they backed up Rosenbaum’s story, with no discrepancies, or they were all asleep when she arrived, or THEY were the ones who disposed of her body. I cannot imagine that the police would not also have searched and tested their car(s), if any, to no avail. (If they didn’t, which is possible given the delay in even going door to door in the area, that leaves a huge and gaping opportunity for someone.)</p>
<p>Nothing makes sense to me, going on these facts, other than the idea that she was snatched off the street by someone else.</p>
<p>As to the comments by Wolff’s mother, assuming that her story is true, she has bitten her tongue for years while the Spierers and other people accused her son and the other guys. They took abuse even for hiring lawyers, which I think any sane person would do in those circumstances. Maybe the lawsuit is the final straw for her, and she thinks it is time that the truth as she sees it be told. Or maybe she’s a liar. I doubt it. Details can be checked.</p>
<p>I have no issue with the boys hiring attorneys - probably a very prudent thing to do. I just wish they would fully cooperate with the Spierer family and the police. If you have nothing to hide - than hide nothing.</p>
<p>But again, how do you know that they are hiding anything? They have cooperated with the police, haven’t they?</p>
<p>The problem I have with Nadine Wolff making statements at this point is that HER son is not being sued. At this point it looks like to me that she is trying to make her son look like a saint and Lauren look like a poor little girl who had to be taken care of daily by her son.
That does nothing to help find Lauren.</p>
<p>Lauren’s parents want to find out what happened to their daughter and suing these kids might help. I believe most parents would do everything they could to find their missing child.</p>
<p>The Spierers feel that the 3 boys plus the boyfriend have NOT cooperated with police - in part because of their refusal to take police-administered polygraph tests.</p>
<p>I don’t have boys but I wouldn’t let my kid take the test, either, in that situation. Parents feel their kids told truth and everything they know. Polygraph isn’t an exact science. What if the test comes out wrong? Too big a risk to take if you believe your kid is innocent.</p>
<p>Frankly, I don’t think the Spierers would feel the boys had cooperated fully unless they had signed full confessions. Even if they were completely innocent. :(</p>
<p>Agree with consolation on this. This family needs to channel their anger in more productive and constructive way.</p>
<p>I know nothing about this case but I can’t help feeling that this disappearance is going to be similar to the Chandra Levy case. Where someone died but it wasn’t what it seemed and someone’s life was ruined. </p>
<p>It also seems unlikely to me that these boys who were clearly drunk that night committed the perfect crime and there is no evidence that connects them. I can’t imagine they were that smart and that lucky. </p>
<p>Saying that I am very sad for Lauren Spierer’s family and hope there is peace for them soon.</p>
<p>And no way would I let my children take a lie detector test.</p>
<p>I agree with all of deb’s points.</p>
<p>I do see the point about the lie detector test. It would be awful if a young man who was innocent was determined to be deceptive during the test, intensifying the suspicion on him. But the flip side is the possibility that one of these young men knows more than he is saying. Just a sad situation all the way around.</p>
<p>I don’t understand how people (including her parents) are so quick to excuse Lauren’s behavior as the simple result of being impaired but at the same time hold equally impaired boys to a higher standard. The story is heartbreaking and I am very sorry for the family’s loss but I don’t think this suit is going to resolve anything. If anything, they should put more pressure on the police department to continue the investigation.</p>
<p>In my state, WI, it seems every year there is a student who goes missing after a night of drinking and ends up dead in a river. It is almost always young men and usually happens at one of the “directional” state schools in smaller towns (UW-Eau Claire, Stevens Point, LaCrosse). The situations are always similarly murky to Lauren’s–the friends lose sight of them after a night of bar-hopping and partying–and then by morning no one knows where the victim is. Is it tragic? Absolutely. But is there always an answer or someone to blame? Sadly, no.</p>
<p>Very true Sally, in fact one of the Packers assistant coaches son drowned in such a manner a couple of years ago in Osh Kosh. It was very tragic. </p>
<p>College kids behave in stupid ways all the time. Trying to think about what you would do in a sober mature state is different than the risky things kids do all the time.</p>
<p>Edited to say that it seems that people blame the boys or don’t believe that they let Lauren leave barefoot, drunk and without her cellphone. From some of the stories my D has told me, I can see this happening. The problem is that Lauren has not been found and that is what makes this so troubling.</p>
<p>I agree - how is it that her body has not been found? That’s what leads to theories that she was either snatched off the street or someone deliberately hid her body. If she died of a drug overdose - her body should have turned up by now.</p>
<p>What struck me about Laurens relationship with her boyfriend (& his mother) was that even though the BF was very concerned about the way she was endangering her health by abusing substances, he did not attempt to do anything about it- so how concerned was he * really?*</p>
<p>He would threaten to tell her parents, she would threaten to break up with him & he would back off.
If the Wolffs expect to believed when they remark on Laurens drug abuse, do they also realize how spineless and egocentric they sound when they trot out the excuse that Lauren might not have dated Jesse anymore if her parents had been told of her behavior?</p>
<p>^I was a bit surprised that she wasn’t spending the evening with her boyfriend. When I was that age I was generally inseparable from the boyfriend. I would never have gone out drinking with other guys.</p>
<p>Spineless and egocentric? Seriously? The parents? Or the kid? There is no way he could have “saved” her if she was determined to keep on partying to excess. You cannot prevent another person from drinking. You cannot prevent another person from abusing drugs. Telling her parents MIGHT have helped, depending on what they were prepared to do about it. But again, you are expecting him to save her and calling him names if he doesn’t. The little girl isn’t responsible for herself.</p>
<p>As for the parents, I would venture to guess that they didn’t know about it until after she disappeared. Most kids do not tell their parents this stuff.</p>
<p>Whatever she chose to do, she didn’t deserve to die for it, and her parents don’t deserve to be in this hell. One can only hope that there is some resolution for them.</p>
<p>Friends help friends.
He did only which benefitted himself.
His parents are heaping abuse on her postmortem, but did they do anything positive for her when she was alive?</p>
<p>I agree with the axiom that takes a village to raise a child.
I also know that we parent our children long after they turn 18.
Someone with health problems, in this case a double whammy of addiction & heart problems, needed support from her friends & family.</p>
<p>Given that she was away at college, I don’t think it would be unusual for her parents to be unaware of the extent of her drug use even though she had been picked up for intoxication.</p>
<p>My daughter was ill in college, but I didn’t know the severity until she had to come home for a year.
( she had misdiagnosed mono)</p>
<p>When my kids were in high school & after, I was as concerned about their friends as I were when they were in grade school, and I spoke to their parents as often. We all need to help each other- especially when we see our friends can’t help themselves.</p>
<p>I don’t understand parents who would disparage a dead girl like that- especially after whose disappearance their son lawyered up so quickly.</p>