<p>I was thinking of a sports managment - nutition career. Do you think Hum Ec would be good for me?</p>
<p>PAM & Nutrition could work. Another popular route is through the ILR school which actually offers a couple of courses on collective bargaining and sports.</p>
<p>Whats PAM?</p>
<p>Policy Analysis and Management</p>
<p>Good thing you got to that before I did, dew.</p>
<p>If Cornell retains its flawed primary/alternate school application option, and you decide to pursue it, I would apply primary to ILR and alternate to PAM, as there is a substantial probability that your application would not be read by ILR if you are turned down by PAM. Better to make the rolling admissions school your primary. My son learned the hard way.</p>
<p>I thought ILR was a school and PAM was a major?</p>
<p>There is also a substantial possibility if you apply to HumEc/PAM as your secondary that your application will not be read. The school (ILR in this example) will only forward your app to your secondary college if they feel you are truly qualified for that school.</p>
<p>And yes, ILR is a school within Cornell and PAM is a major within the College of Human Ecology.</p>
<p>Yes, as dewdrop87 said, PAM is a major within Human Ecology. But, based on extensive discussions that I had with officials of ILR and Human Ecology, I discovered that the primary choice school does not make the decision to forward an application to the secondary choice school. Rather, the secondary choice school must request an application for review. That is the serious structural flaw. There is no procedure in place for a secondary choice school to make such a determination. Cornell’s website discussion on this point is materially misleading.</p>
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<p>I know I still need to respond to your PM, Rowala (and I have all intentions of doing so), but your definition of ‘materially misleading’ strikes me as a bit unique, especially considering that the following statement can be found front and center on the Primary/Secondary FAQ:</p>
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<p>The flaw is that it is impossible for the alternate choice college to determine whether an applicant has a “serious intellectual passion satisfied by the alternate choice college” unless the alternate choice college performs at least a cursory review of the applicant’s application. If the primary choice college were permitted to forward applications of the applicants that it thought had a serious intellectual passion for the alternate choice college, then perhaps the system could work. Obviously, Cornell does not have the resources to review adequately the applications of dual school applicants.</p>
<p>I have raised the issue with the University Counsel and the Board of Trustees.</p>
<p>brooklyn- ya wanna explain the connection between sport management and nutrition??</p>
<p>I got one kid who is an ILR grad and is working for a union- and another kid who is a sport management major at Cortland so I know a little bit about those areas.
If you are thinking sport management, sport agent, player representative route–I’m gonna suggest ILR too. You can definitely focus on some of the labor issues that players and sport organizations deal with- Your ILR degree can open doors if you want to get job as union rep for players union and of course is very helpful for law school admissions.</p>
<p>my gut tells me, the best way to break into the sport/entertainment field is to work with the unions and understand the labor issues that athletes face re: contract negotiations, collective bargaining agreements etc. etc. </p>
<p>and Rowela- I think an application and essay will indicate if one really has the passion to follow the 2nd choice area of study. It probably works best for similar studies like bio and society which have similar programs in both CALS and Human Ec (correct me if I’m wrong- I’m an ILR parent so I’m not as familiar with the individual programs at each of the colleges) and someone with IVY envy and is just trying to increase their chance at getting into Cornell and applying to 2 fairly unrelated areas.
If you are able to make a connection between the two programs as further proof that the both course of studies would meet your intellectual passion, I’m sure your application would get serious consideration by both colleges.</p>
<p>it is also possible that the individual schools do not like to be “second choice”- they want to admit those that truly want to be in that college. Cornell just started this process of allowing you to apply to 2 colleges. So though it is offered, I don’t know how many kids get into their 2nd choice college, unless there is a very strong connection between the 2 programs-- ie bio and society</p>
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<p>I believe last year only 100-150 students or so were offered admission to their ‘second choice’ school. And you are right – many of the adcoms simply believe that an admitted student will just try to internally transfer after being admitted to their second choice school.</p>
<p>Although the emphasis may be different, there is a fair degree of overlap between PAM and ILR. In my son’s case, the director of admissions at the primary school (HumEc) stated that he thought that my son’s alternate choice school application showed a better “fit” for the alternate choice school (ILR). When I asked whether HumEc had forwarded the application to ILR, he stated that ILR has to specifically request an alternate choice application for review. When I spoke to ILR, I discovered that, notwithstanding the view of the director at HumEc, his application had not been read or reviewed at all. Obviously, it is impossible for an alternate choice school to determine fit or passion if it does not even look at an application and if it does not rely on the impressions of the primary school admissions committee. I consider that to be a serious flaw in the system. When I raised the issue with ILR officials, they stated that it was a mistake not to have reviewed my son’s application.
As background, I am a graduate of the ILR School and the Law School, and my other two sons attended Cornell, one graduating from ILR and the other about to graduate from CALS (AEM). I had also advised the director of alumni admissions relations of my son’s application early in the review process. Personally, I would have thought that in the case of a strong legacy applicant, Cornell would have at least taken the time to ensure that both the primary and alternate choice schools read the application.</p>