<p>My top 2 choices for transfer from a CC with an AA degree and 3.93gpa are Cornell and BYU. I have never taken the SAT though. I want to major in finance at BYU or either CAS eco or AEM at cornell. I have hopes of getting into Investment banking (I do have a good connection with a VP at GS so that helps also). My household income is sub 25k (single parent), and money is a big issue. Would cornell give me a big financial aid package? BYU is significantly cheaper. I don’t mind living by the honor code at byu even though I am not Mormon. I have thoroughly researched the school and talked to students, and I am not concerned about it.</p>
<p>The biggest problem I am facing though is that cornell appears to not notify spring transfers until december. If I am going to go to BYU I can get accepted at anytime, and I will need to know and accept it before the end of october when I would have to separately apply to the marriott school of business so that I can transfer straight in (I meet all the prereqs). What should I do about this? I just wish I could hear about both schools at the same time and then choose, it seems that it would be a major risk to wait on cornell if I can’t find out until december. I have already been screwed by the university of florida, and now have to wait until next winter to start at a new U, when I had planned on already being at florida for this summer (started yesterday). It will give me a chance to get some more extracurriculars and work experience but I am pretty angry about it still.</p>
<p>So, with my GPA and no SAT score at all, with good recommendations and some work experience (soon to be more) do I have a good shot at cornell? I would probably have to apply to CAS eco instead of AEM since I don’t meet CALS transfer requirements on taking 2 semesters of core bio. I just don’t know if it is worth the risk of losing out on BYU and then possibly getting rejected by cornell. Is there any way for them to accept deny for spring before december, because that seems very late. Is cornell really even that much better than BYU is for business? I won’t incur any debt at BYU, but I am not sure what kind of money cornell would give me. I also will probably end up with a better GPA at BYU if what I hear about cornell’s difficulty is true, although I have breezed though CC, and never actually got a B in a class. My GPA took at hit testing out of a class to hurry up and get it on my transcript for UF which now looks like pretty stupid move since they won’t let me take the class.</p>
<p>I really appreciate any advice, because I am really unsure of what I should do.</p>
<p>You have two years of college, right? Your GPA is good. I don’t believe the SAT is required for transfer students at Cornell barring a few majors (like engineering). I wouldn’t bother taking it. Beyond that, I can’t offer any advice. Good luck.</p>
<p>Yes, 2 years–65 credit hours. I am 1 year ahead of my HS class though because I dual enrolled at the CC I was at my senior year and had 15 credits done. Then I took 16 credits last summer, 16 last fall and 18 this spring (although one was the a credit by examination which turned out to be hard as hell). I am just in a bind on what to do with the conflicting dates/deadlines of the 2 colleges. If cornell accepted me and offered a good financial aid package I would prefer it, but it seems very risky since I would lose out on the chance at BYU.</p>
<p>you can always pay the deposit for BYU admission and if you get into cornell just go to cornell. i dont believe it is high, and in the grand scheme of things it may be worth it if you can afford to do that. a lot of people do that when they decide to go to a school they are on the waitlist for.</p>
<p>Will paying the deposit allow me to apply to the business school at BYU or would I have to enroll first? Also, it will be 4 or 5 months between BYU acceptance and cornell notification which seems like a long time, although I am not sure how it exactly works.</p>
<p>You don’t pay a deposit until you are accepted; it holds your place in the class. The deposit has nothing to do with your intended major. If you are accepted to BYU first, you can deposit there. Then if you are accepted to Cornell later and choose to go there, you can rescind your offer of admission to BYU [losing your deposit, they are non-refundable] and depositing at Cornell.</p>
<p>The thing about it though is that I have to apply to BYU as pre management. Then after acceptance I have to reapply separately to the Marriott school of management because I already meet all prerequisites and won’t need to go into the school to get any more of them. </p>
<p>If I cannot apply to the school off of a deposit, I would be tempted to risk being forced to not go straight into the business program for the possibility of going to cornell instead. If I got stuck going to BYU and not straight into the bus school I can just take the required religion credits, and get a core 1 continuance to take 3 of the classes required for management majors before getting into the school which would be ok and then just enter the management school the next fall. I am very tempted to do this simply because I want to go to cornell. Do you guys think I have a good shot of being admitted with my stats and good essay/recommendations?</p>
<p>You have to apply twice? That’s rough. I have heard that AEM is hard to get into because so many people apply for it. However, Cornell is fairly CC-friendly so if if it comes across in your essay that Cornell is right for you, you will probably have a shot. I am just pulling this out of thin air, though. Also: apply early.</p>
<p>Yeah, I was leaning toward just applying for CAS at cornell and majoring in eco instead of doing AEM. My friend from JHU can help me write the essay, and I am a pretty adept writer myself, so that shouldn’t be a problem. I have no trouble applying early, it just sucks that no matter how early I apply they won’t notify until december where for fall it is rolling. </p>
<p>Yeah, at BYU you basically have to be admitted to the college first. Then after that you have to satisfy the particular schools prerequisites. Then you apply for internal transfer basically instead of externally transferring directly in. I shouldn’t have any problem with it though because even though they will discount my 4.0 prereq gpa to 3.7 they average it with the total gpa and last 30 hours gpa which gives me like a 3.85. Internally transferring with a 3.85 should be very easy (this won’t affect my real gpa though it is just what the business school uses for admissions decisions). </p>
<p>I think I might give cornell and call and see what they say also.</p>
<p>By the way, are you sure CALS requires two semesters of Bio? One of my classmates applied for Environmental Engineering, and he only has one Bio…</p>
<p>I am pretty sure thats what it said, but my intro to bio would not be good enough I am sure.</p>
<p>The problem now is that after speaking with the lady that heads the transfer admissions to the CAS, only 34 of my 65 credits would even count. They would throw out almost half of my credits because they don’t accept high school dual enrollment credits (even though it is on my regular college transcript, and calculated with my regular gpa), and they won’t even accept summer classes. I think that is pretty ridiculous that if I took them post HS they would count, but since I took the identical classes during HS they don’t count. Also, why the hell would summer classes post HS not count? I really don’t think making up an extra year of college is worth it (even though I am a year ahead). </p>
<p>Even though the people on the phone were very nice and helpful, these policies are pretty ridiculous and turned me off. Looks like BYU is in my future for sure now (well unless I get denied, but that is very doubtful for several reasons). I really wanted to go to cornell, but I should still be able to get to where I need to be out of BYU. Props to those who get in these tough schools. I wish I had been more serious in the 9th and 10th grade. My 12th grade stats were great (4.6 gpa), but a 2.5 my 10th grade year killed my gpa, I only ended up with a 3.6 weighted. My friend at johns hopkins was in an IB program and had like a 4.5 I wish I had went that route.</p>
<p>Thanks a bunch for your help on this. It sucks that my credits won’t count, and makes it not worth even applying, even if I would get accepted. She said only like 40 students apply for spring transfer to CAS and 10-15 usually get accepted if I heard her right. As much as I’d like to attend cornell I just can’t see myself going through another year of school and all those credits I worked hard for not counting when I can go somewhere else and finish up a year sooner and still get a great degree.</p>
<p>CAS has a “residency” requirement that is hard to get out of, typical of most liberal arts colleges. You must have earned a certain percentage of your credits in the College. This is the same at Middlebury, Columbia College, etc., and why some consider CAS to be the most prestigious degree at Cornell.</p>
<p>You wouldn’t have this problem in ILR or CALS, where it’s not uncommon for people to graduate in 2 - 2.5 years.</p>
<p>^^CALS has a residency requirement of 4 semesters, same as CAS (at least according to the infor on the CAS website). However, CAS has more requirements that would make it harder for one to graduate in less than 4 years.</p>
<p>Also…yes…all CALS students must have 1 year (2 semesters) of general biology (unless you have AP credit). However, the intro bio sequence is changing soon and I’m not too familiar with it.</p>
<p>I am not concerned about the residency requirement, as I would need at 4 more semesters to reach 120 regardless. I just dont want 31 hours of college credit I had already earned to be thrown out because it was earned either in high school or during summer classes. That makes no sense to me, and would mean I would need at least 6 more semesters to graduate. Even the opportunity to go to a school as good as Cornell is not worth that. Where I am screwed right now is that many of the good colleges don’t do spring admissions at all–transfer or otherwise, and being that I already have to sit out this summer and fall I am unwilling to take next spring/summer off too. This time I currently have off now though will probably have a positive effect though assuming I can get a decent job/internship soon.</p>
<p>Wait…I didn’t quite read all of your previous posts…finals time 
Why won’t your summer courses or courses taken in HS transfer?</p>
<p>I’ve taken 1 course while in HS and 2 summer courses at outside institutions and they transferred with no problem.</p>
<p>I have no idea why they won’t, but the lady that I talked to that is head of the transfer admissions to the CAS made it VERY clear that they won’t. Maybe I should look into this further. </p>
<p>I am not sure how good my chances of enrollment are though because I didn’t have any extracurriculars in my time in college (only about 8 months for me the way the defines it), and she said those are the extracurriculars they look at. I had a few jobs in high school, but other than that not really anything special besides my gpa. But other than extracurriculars I should have a strong application, but she made it sound just as important as gpa which really concerns me. I am not sure what I should do and if it is even worth bothering applying anymore. I’d love to go, but only if I can bring that credit with me.</p>
<p>The CAS website really sucks, but I found this at the CALS website: stating that non cornell credit will transfer when… “the credits have not been applied toward high school graduation requirements or the completion of another degree” at this link [CALS</a> Registrar: Non-Cornell Credit Policies](<a href=“http://www.cals.cornell.edu/cals/current/registrar/current-students/transfer/non-cornell-credit-policy.cfm]CALS”>http://www.cals.cornell.edu/cals/current/registrar/current-students/transfer/non-cornell-credit-policy.cfm) . Since those classes are on my HS transcript I appear to be SOL. On the other hand I couldn’t really find anything saying my summer classes not paid for by HS after HS graduation wouldn’t count but who knows.</p>
<p>Well…Cornell’s policy regarding college courses taken during high is that the course was taught by a college professor on the college’s campus. As long as your college courses were taken at an accredited 2 or 4 year school and you got a C or higher I see no reason why the course wouldn’t transfer…unless Cornell has no equivalent. That is unlikely all 31 credits are not applicable.</p>
<p>Anyway…I’m off to take my final. But…I’m a transfer student who survived the process so feel free to PM me if you’ve got other questions/need advice.</p>
<p>Alright, I will be sending a pm shortly. Good luck on the final, I am glad mine finished up about 3 weeks ago.</p>
<p>Anyways, I guess the lady could have misunderstood me, because yes, I was on a college campus full time my senior year or HS. I took both HS and college classes, but they were all on a very large community college’s campus (18k students), and most of the people in the college classes with me were regular college student.</p>
<p>I would look into PAM and ILR as well. Both allow a lot of study in economics, and the contract colleges typically are a lot more receptive to transfer students. CAS is very hard to get into as a transfer.</p>
<p>Would I be better off with a degree from one of those colleges than a finance degree from BYU? I know they are easier to get into, but they are also less prestigious, correct? Also, what does PAM stand for? </p>
<p>I will definitely look more into those when I get some time later tonight.</p>
<p>thanks for the help.</p>