<p>Greetings. all. I took my daughter to her very first session at Stagedoor yesterday. One of her friends (they are members of a competition dance team) is also there for her first time. Both girls have done lots of community and regional theater and are totally “into” theater and dance! My D’s friend attended a Broadway workshop in NYC last year and a counselor took her aside and told her that SDM was the place for her! We found out about SDM through an internet search. My D had a disappointing experience at Beginnings Workshop when she was 8, and has not wanted to attend a sleepaway camp until now… (btw, the negative posts you may have read about Peter Sklar and Beginnings are true, based on our experience). Anyway, I am missing my D and thought I’d add another voice to the chorus…</p>
<p>The guy who played slave Jim is absolutely the best lead of any show Ive seen at Stagedoor. He just turned 18 during camp and is going to be a senior in High School which is hard to believe. What a talent!
He could have walked off that stage and gone straight to Broadway. His presence was so strong that the rest of the cast was irrelevant. My daughter said he was really nice to boot.</p>
<p>Zappos, welcome to the forum. Our kids may even know one another and I may have even seen your child in a show by now. Girl or boy? how old? My daughter has been there during second session until this year. So, the years your child was there, she was in Pippin (the Leading Player) and in Nine (Lilian La Fleur). Might I have seen your child in a show? I heard that the boy who was the lead in Big River was super talented. I wish I had seen it. </p>
<p>Audi…it is kinda cool that they put Brother Can You Spare a Dime back into OTC. When my D was young, an older boy would sing that song. Then a talented girl had it (who went onto UMich). Then my D had it for a few years. When Jeff took over OTC, he still had her do it but then switched it to Carousels, ,into that same slot in the show. I had seen some performances several years back when another very talented girl (who just graduated Tisch) did Carousels in that slot. So, now they have taken Carousels back out and put Brother back in and with a boy…kinda full circle. </p>
<p>Mom4Life…cool name…you ought to meet AlwaysAMom…Anyway, I feel pretty sure your daughter is going to have such a great time that she won’t want to come home in three weeks and will be on the phone and IMing this one and that one. You’ll see. Let us know which show she ends up doing. I think some really fun ones are planned. </p>
<p>By the way, the camp site just posted pictures from first session shows and Our Time Cabaret and Players Ensemble. They also posted pics from the 30th Anniversary Gala. Some great shots. Audi, your son is in the 30th gala ones, in the current cabaret. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>AudiB,
In my post I said it did not appear that new campers have an equal opportunity to get in OTC. When I say that I meant NEW to the camp campers. Not new to OTC. As I mentioned previously, my D. was in something similiar for 3 years in middle school so she was not all that bothered about OTC, but she met some very talented first time campers who would like to have gotten in and did not.
How many new to the camp session 2 campers were in OTC? </p>
<p>As far as OTC goes, I did not see the show but my D. said she couldn’t understand why one individual was given 5 or 6 solos and other kids given none. She said it would have been nice to hear the other kids.</p>
<p>Susan,
It is my feeling that new, older female campers have a very, small (I didn’t say impossible, I said unlikely) chance of snagging a lead - even if they knock their socks off. If in the past a newbie has gotten a lead my thought is they really weren’t new and you thought they were (as was the case with Ms. Saigon), they have a connection in the business, or were in a major show or movie etc and SDM knows about it (I know of one instance at camp this past session for a newbie in supporting role), or other circumstances…Of course it could happen but I would think very rarely… If you look at it logically from SDM’s standpoint given two talented kids who can sing and one is a proven entity and returns year after year who are you going to select? It just makes sense.</p>
<p>My thoughts were further confirmed when a counselor mentioned it out of the blue in a general discussion.</p>
<p>I respectfully appreciate your view point, and I am sure you can appreciate my thoughts also. So lets agree to disagree. </p>
<p>The bottomline is My D. was very happy with her show, her role and the camp and that is what really matters to me here!</p>
<p>Nikkiam, I am in definite agreement with you. The facilities need a facelift but if they need to put the money into other things thats fine …but functioning toilets and toilet paper are not frills but necessities.</p>
<p>Again …D. had a marvelous time! We are so glad she experienced it. And as I said she came home even more secure in her own talent and I am sure she learned alot!</p>
<p>Angst, the reason that I have chosen to post a response to some of the issues you brought up in your latest posts is because people online research this program and may find their way to this discussion. I think it is GREAT that you are sharing your experiences and perspectives. I also think it is important to offer both a balanced view but moreover the actual FACTS so that people do not get the wrong information. That was my intention in my previous response post. </p>
<p>I am positive that the kids who I know who were BRAND new to SDM in past years, as well as the kids i mentioned besides the girl who played Kim, who got leads and supporting roles were truly new and NOT in the business or had no family members in the business. It is a known fact amongst the kids there that these leads I refer to each year were brand new. I have acknowledged many times that there are MORE leads who have attended at least one session previously than brand new leads because as you say, and I agree, that makes sense in casting. But new leads with NO connections do happen every year. Ask Konnie, she will absolutely confirm that as she was even talking about it to me recently. </p>
<p>As well, I know many kids who got into OTC their first summer at the camp, including my own daughter. Again, more kids who are new to OTC are not at SDM for the first time but brand new kids DO get in, too. I mentioned that there are less openings in OTC second session than in first or third. I know brand new kids who got in first session this year as one example but know of such examples from every year and session. One year in third session when my D was in OTC, two thirds of the ENTIRE cast got in for the first time and some were brand new campers as well. Again, it only makes sense that returning kids who have proven themselves get in more readily than brand new kids but there are definitely brand new kids to SDM who get into OTC every year. Also, they cannot make the entire cast start new each session because the show has about 40 songs and they have very little time to get it together and it helps that a chunk of the cast already knows the show and the blocking and choreography and harmonies. You mentioned that your D observed very talented kids who did not get into OTC. That is VERY VERY true. I agree. OTC is not necessarily the BEST or most talented 40 at the camp. Yes, you have to be talented to get in, but there are more who are talented enough to get in than can get in (not different than college admissions that way!). Some just have to wait their turn and it will happen in time if they are talented enough. Sometimes, kids get in and do not even DO OTC because they are a lead in another show and find it is too much to learn two shows in a two week period. I know of instances this year and last when kids declined the offer to do OTC because they had too much to handle with the huge part they had in a musical. OTC used to have about 12 or 13 days to prepare the show for the hotel performances, and this on top of rehearsing their other shows and also taking classes. So, it is a lot of work and that aspect also figures in…who can handle it, etc. But clearly, there are numerous equally talented kids not in cabaret as those in it. As with many things, sometimes you wait for your turn to work your way up into something like that. But without question, SOME brand new kids get in every year, but less do in second session than first/third. Also, remember that MANY kids opt to attend SDM for six weeks. Often, after working with the kid the first three weeks, a kid can move onto a more challenging role or even into OTC all in the first summer. I have seen many kids get leads, for example, in their second session attending. So, it is not like you have to attend five years to get a lead or get into OTC. As mentioned, my D’s first show ever had a lead brand new to camp who also got into OTC and my own kid also got into OTC and was a supporting role in that show. While it is not as common as returning campers, it does happen. I want to make sure to let this fact be known. </p>
<p>I also want to make sure that those reading this do NOT come to think that a child must have connections of any kind in the industry, have been on Broadway (I know of about one child per summer who has been on Broadway and even the one I know this year where that is the case, had some small parts initially before getting bigger roles at camp), have worked with staff from SDM at home, or anything else. While there are likely a handful of kids out of 250 kids who may have a parent in the performing arts industry or one kid every summer with a famous parent (ie., Bruce Willis’ kids…who did not have a lead by the way), and one kid every summer who has been on Bdway, and then there are likely a dozen kids total who have worked with someone on staff in their home area…these are all the exceptions, not the rule. Most kids are ordinary kids like mine who have an interest in a theater immersion program. Some have worked professionally, some just school shows. I could run down every lead I have known over the years, and barely any fit the profile that you described. There might be one or two here or there but clearly the exception. </p>
<p>I think the casting is fair there and it goes by talent. Talent, of course, is something you prove over time so it makes sense that returning kids have an easier chance to get a better part than a brand new kid but brand new kids DO get good parts each summer. Also, just because a kid is a long time camper, does not guarantee a big part. I know kids going to SDM who have gone for years who have never played a lead. They try to cast the best shows they can like anywhere else. But very talented kids are found right in the ensemble. My child has played ensemble after playing leads at SDM. They do mix it up. </p>
<p>As far as solos in cabaret, some kids do not solo in that show. Usually once you are in cabaret, you work your way up to solos. First you learn the show. Certain solos are given out by audition and then once a kid gets a particular solo in the show, they usually keep that solo until they leave the cast. Many solos opened up this year as many key soloists in the cast left after last summer and then the few who returned, also left after first session this summer, so lots opened up. Kids pass the torch. My own kid looked up to the older kids in cabaret with certain solos for years and was thrilled when the torch was passed to her. She is now thrilled for the kids who got her solos in cabaret. She was even thrilled for her own self that after 15 casts of OTC that she has been in, this summer she finally got the solo verse in the song “Our Time” that ends the show…she waited fifteen sessions for that special moment/turn. It meant a lot at that point! It was a tradition passed down. </p>
<p>For me, this is not really about disagreement. I think it is wonderful for readers to hear all perspectives and experiences. I also think that for those researching the program, they also need to know certain facts about it. Sometimes I have posted responses to your posts to not just answer your questions when you have asked them, but also to get out the correct information. For instance, once you wrote that kids should know to bring a karoake tape if they plan to try out for the talent show. I have never seen a kid sing to a karoake tape at SDM in Camper Showcase. There are numerous musical directors on campus who play piano who could accompany a kid as well as many kids (count my kid in this category) who play piano proficiently and can accompany any singer. So, that is an example of the correct information. Any kid can try out for the talent show. If a singer, they usually can obtain sheet music at the office if they don’t own it (as well as borrow from kids like mine with extensive collections…she lent hers out this summer in fact) and get someone to accompany them on piano (she accompanied someone in their “act” this summer). So, I do not mean to use this forum to agree/disagree but simply to get out all perspectives (including yours which are good ones as you can offer ones as someone new to this program) and also to answer questions or give information when I know it only cause we have been involved for sixteen sessions so know a bit about the place. </p>
<p>I realize you spoke to a “counselor” but when it comes to the theater program, try to get the information from someone on staff who works in the theater program in a professional capacity…the directors of shows, those who teach the classes, etc., or Konnie who is in charge of the productions. </p>
<p>The counselors (many of whom are there for one summer only) sometimes have this resentment against the campers who are in OTC with the criticism of “elitism” and they do have to handle kids who might be jealous or not happy about not getting in, and so on. There is a sentiment amongst some of them of “anti-cabaret kids”. I think it is unfortunate but I have seen this. I do think it is best to discuss these sorts of things with those more in charge of the theatrical program itself (the young counselors are not). Getting the take from actual theater staff would be helpful. </p>
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<p>I think they do a good job at SDM. Theater is a tough field and not everyone is going to get the part they want and all sorts of feelings abound in these situations. I think the kids who do best at SDM are the ones who go and love the EXPERIENCE itself which is not tied to what part they got, etc. I know my 16 1/2 year old niece went for the first time this summer and absolutely loved it and wanted to stay another session and wants to return. She was undercast in terms of her talent and achievements at home, but I know she had a chance to prove herself (she even got Most Improved in a Drama trophy) and if she returned, likely will get cast in a bigger part. But the part did not have a bearing on how much she loved the camp, as well as the high quality of her production (The Crucible). I have spoken with a few new kids at camp this year or their parents who have remarked that their kids loved it even if they were in ensemble. Many of these kids play much bigger parts at home (actually they are gonna find this to be the situation should they enter a BFA program chockful of talented kids). But my feeling is, if they return to SDM, they might likely move into a bigger part if their talent and work ethic shone through what they did this year. </p>
<p>But with SDM, you gotta go for the experience of theater immersion, not for the shows/parts themselves. If you just want to be in a show and get a big part, you can accomplish that at home. SDM is so much more than parts and shows. The training for one thing…the immersion…the passion…the like minded peer group. The emphasis on this thread regarding casting and even OTC itself is really not what the true SDM experience is about. Those are my thoughts. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>I have been reading the opinions about the SDM casting process with some interest, since I have wondered about this issue (of favoritism). I discussed it with my daughter, in fact, to prepare her. She has a very mature attitude about it all, as she is comfortably confident in her own abilities, and understands the “realities” of the casting process. </p>
<p>My daughter (12) is at SDM to learn and have fun! She has already had some very nice roles and opportunities up here in the Syracuse area, which has a (perhaps surprisingly) vibrant theater community (I think that the SU influence has something to do with that…) Her friend, as well, has had a number of lead and supporting roles with several professional companies. But I am sure that most of the other campers share the same experience base, or have more impressive credentials…</p>
<p>It is just common sense that Konnie & Co. might likely go with a known entity for the larger roles a good deal of the time. At least, it seems that way to me. I sent my daughter’s theatrical resume with the application (where it asked, “What shows have you done?” I had to write, “See attached,” as I am sure most applicants had to do :)). So I was wondering if in addition to the brief singing and dancing auditions, is the camper’s prior experience (out of camp) taken into account? That would give the staff a little more information that might indicate that the child could handle a substantial role. </p>
<p>Another point… I was curious to read the comments about sessions one and two being… well, more “serious” than session three. Session one would never be an option for students in our county, as the public schools do not recess until late June (this year, their last day of school was June 23). Second session was not possible because my daughter was in a show, and her friend was traveling… so third was their only option. It was just a matter of timing and convenience, and has nothing to do with their level of interest in theater. Believe me, they will both fit in with all of the “I-live-for-theater” kids! :)</p>
<p>So anyway, I am eager to hear what my daughter has been doing and what musical she will be in. Knowing her, she will tackle whatever she is asked to do with lots of enthusiasm. I know she will have a blast!</p>
<p>Thank you all for sharing your experiences. I am a “newbie” too, and it helps to hear the views of other parents!</p>
<p>Susan,</p>
<p>I am not going to get into more discussion on leads etc. I have shared MY thoughts and will leave it at that.</p>
<p>As far as the karaoke tape…I was thinking it would be nice if kids knew in advance about the camper showcase so they could take a karoke tape along. I wasnt thinking about someone playing the piano…which of course would have been the case for most kids, if they were going to sing. My point was simply that it would be nice for kids to know about the camper showcase so they could prepare in advance. In D’s case she likely would have taken a karaoke…Hey she could have been a stagedoor first! </p>
<p>As far as OTC, I know your D. got in her very first year as a new young camper. Thats wonderful! I also think its fine that they pass the torch along to one another…but 5-6 solos for one individual if what my D. said is correct, may be pushing the envelope. She said it would have been nice if they shared it around.</p>
<p>I also want to add that I found the staff to be very caring and supportive. A great group!
I am sure they read these message boards also…or are aware of them so a shout out to them for a great job session II!</p>
<p>Mom4Life…one thing about going to SDM for the first time is that for many kids, this is the first time they have been thrust into a situation where there are SO many talented (and experienced) kids in one place. They find, as your D will, that many have been standouts in their local community. Many have played leads back home. Then all of a sudden all these kids are in one place. They are not all going to get a lead at SDM! A couple things about that…one is, this is what it will be like when auditioning for BFA programs (if a child goes that route) and once IN a BFA program where there are a bunch of standout triple threats in one place. It is the nature of this field and in fact, it is very beneficial for a kid who is considering pursuing this field, to see the numerous talented kids that exist and where they fit into that whole group. It is an eye opener, to be sure. </p>
<p>When I watched my child’s first production at SDM in second session of 1998, my eyes nearly popped out of my head. I was awed by the talented kids in the cast and the level for a youth production. I also was shocked to see how my own child would fare amongst talented kids from all over the country, coming from our own little world in the mountains where admittedly she always got cast, usually as a lead. I did not know what to expect. Who knew how she might do in this crowd. I was shocked to see her get a supporting role that first time in fact. I saw these other kids and thought, wow! And looking back on it now, and thinking of some of the kids who had parts in that production, I now realize here is where some that I know of have ended up from that show (The Boyfriend): one in Tisch/CAP21, two about to start Tisch/CAP21, one at North Carolina School of the Arts (for acting), one at Juilliard (for acting), one at CCM. Those are only the ones I happen to know where they ended up. Anyway, lots of kids enter SDM with a resume like your D’s. And it is hard to go from possibly being a lead at home to not getting one right away at SDM. It is a very different crowd of peers auditioning. I know some parents have complained to the producers about their child’s casting (I for one, cannot imagine doing that in my wildest dreams but I know some have…as the word gets out), and the parent (or even the kid) will say…“do you know the roles I have played at home??” but the problem is, they don’t realize that umpteen kids there could say the same thing. I find that amongst my D’s closest friends at SDM, when keeping in close contact with them during the winter, we learn of them all getting the lead back home. That is the typical camper at SDM ! </p>
<p>As far as third session…it is JUST as serious as first or second session. I can say this because my D attended third session for five sessions. The difference, as I see it, particularly more so in the past few years than it used to be, is that third session might have more new kids or more kids who have only gone for a few years and barely ANY “old timers”. The word is that it is easier to get a good part and easier to get into Our Time Cabaret in third session. I do believe this to be the case. Some of the talented kids who have kind of gotten “known” at camp from various roles they have played there, usually don’t go third session anymore. My D loved third session but as the years wore on, she noticed that many returning campers, all her closest ones, all went or switched to first and second session (most of her friends attend for six weeks). She eventually switched though for years would never consider switching (she had gone second/third for many years) because of friends made during third. But she knew lots of first/second kids cause of her overlap with second session. </p>
<p>Where we live, school goes rather late in June and so when my D has gone first session, she often goes straight from school to camp. This year, she left for camp one day following her graduation. We also start school in late August here and so all the years she went for third session, she often would get home from camp the night before school started. In fact, she had to buy her school supplies and pack them up beffore she left to go to camp! Second session was always the most popular one at camp. For one thing, anyone going six weeks overlaps with second session. Also, the Florida or other southern kids start school in mid August so can’t attend third session. It used to be that third session did not fill up in enrollment and in fact, the tuition was less. The reason my kids originally signed up for second and third session (my other kid went to French Woods at the time and it has the same set up with sessions) was in part cause the tuition was less for third session. Also, they were in shows or programs in early summer at home. But in the past couple of years, SDM got a lot of publicity due to the movie, CAMP and enrollment even for third session filled up and now the pricing structure is the same no matter which session you attend. I think the lower price for third session was an enticement to get kids to sign up for third session (this was true at the time for French Woods as well). So, that is sorta the situation about third session. The classes and shows are good and the atmosphere is as serious. But in recent years, the “known” talent from years past, do not seem to attend third session. Frankly, this makes it a whole lot better for a new kid in third session if you ask me! Lots of openings in cabaret…lots of chances at roles. Some say they did not think the level of shows was as high last year during third session but I was not there to say. Who knows? I think this is a great way for your D to try out SDM and if she loves it, she might want to stick with third session next year (friends made) or go six weeks and go second/third. Some of the kids she will meet in third session go second as well. If she switched to second next summer, in other words, she would already know quite a few. Let us know what you hear from her and what show she is doing. Another thing…my child found that no matter what role she got (she has played ensemble, small parts, supporting roles, and leads at SDM), that she loved the LEVEL of the youth production, often much higher than a local youth production (not comparing to adult shows she has done necessarily). The experience of the show itself is really great at SDM. Then there are the classes too! Sometimes it is hard to go back and do school shows where sometimes the kids are not as focused as the ones at theater camp and also they rehearse a show for a few months and the kids are used to a much quicker pace at SDM…about 16 days to mount the show! </p>
<p>I think your daughter is going to have a lot of fun because she is a theater kid and it is in her blood and that is the essence of SDM, no matter which session she goes…it is the kids who go…that is such a HUGE part of the experience…much more than roles and what not. The friends and bonds my child has made at SDM, I believe, are likely lifelong…and she is in constant contact with them all year round and tries desperately to find ways to see them as she lives far from them all…but manages to find ways and they also get together in groups over vacations and so forth. My child opens in a show tonight and I think her best friend from camp wants to come up this weekend to see her in it. Get ready for long cell phone calls, IMs, and wanting to visit this friend and that one when she gets back!</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>Angstridden, I do agree that five or six solos in Cabaret sounds excessive. I did not see second session cabaret and must say that is unusual, though I believe you. I can tell you about my own child. She was the longest running member of cabaret, 8 years, which was unusual because usually kids can’t get into cabaret until at least age 12. So, even though she was there a long time, even she does not have five solos! Here is what I recall her doing in her final cabaret, her fifteenth one…she had one solo song to herself (Carousels). She sang this ONE LINE twice in the show, “I hear America Singing” which is in the opening and some other place in the show. She sang the opening verse of the final song “Our Time” (her first time ever, however and likely because it was her parting time after such a long run). In “How Lucky You Are”, I believe she sang TWO LINES by herself (others solo on other lines, not the entire song). She also was a dancer. I did not see anyone in her production with five solos. I would rather see more kids solo than one have five. Obviously this was a bit unusual in second session OTC because you guys are all talking about it (and I can see why). </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>I will chime in with a few more observations to Mom4life…I agree with Susan that the quality of the productions is very high in terms of musical direction, sound effects, etc.<br>
Hubby and I were very impressed with the overall quality of productions.</p>
<p>There is a broad range (again this is my opinion) in the kids abilities. One young man could easily have stepped right onto Broadway and been right at home! He was that outstanding. Yet another in a supporting role had such a tough time my hubby said he felt sorry for him.
Some of the kids were excellent. There were also some, (this is my opinion) in lead roles who were not very strong.</p>
<p>We live in a very high cultural arts community (ranked higher than DC according to the paper). There are shows going on all the time.
D. attends a huge high school which is home to the the musical/theater arts program. So kids come from all over to audition for the shows and try out for the program so we are used to a lot of kids interested in the arts here some with alot of ability and other kids who need more help. There is a big range here also.</p>
<p>I was impressed with the acting displayed by some of the leads who had been attending SDM for many years. I think that the classes at SDM have really paid off for these campers and they were so excellent in their roles.</p>
<p>I believe the kids that go to SDM reap incredible benefits in this business in terms of learning, contacts so many things…it’s a great experience!</p>
<p>Thank you, Susan and Angstridden, for taking the time to respond to my post. (Angstridden – great name; parents of teens are more “angst ridden” than the teens themselves, in my experience :).) </p>
<p>This was a busy day, although I found time to check the SDM message board, just to see if the shows were posted – no such luck, yet. I was helping my husband and son get ready for their trip to LA tomorrow to visit colleges. My son is going to be a junior in high school, and he is the main reason I joined this forum. But yesterday, I remembered my daughter’s dance teacher, whose daughter is an MT major, saying that she had read about SDM on this site. My son is interested in International Business, an entirely different matter… I don’t think he’ll need an audition song…</p>
<p>Yes, I’m sure my daughter will enjoy her experience at camp to the fullest. She is actually used to performing with high-caliber folks… she has only done one “youth show,” plus one school show. Most of the musicals and plays she has been fortunate enough to have been part of have been with professional companies employing mostly adults and teens.</p>
<p>No matter how I write this, it comes off as sounding pretentious, and I really don’t intend that… I go to great lengths NOT to be a stage mom, if you know what I mean… my daughter’s favorite part to date was “Baby June” in “Gypsy,” but Rose is most assuredly not my role model ;). But as an example, in that particular show, the principals were all marvelous, and the young lady who played Louise/Gypsy is an MT major at the University of Michigan who also studied dance at my daughter’s studio. Another little girl who dances with my daughter (and they were in a production of “Annie” together) was selected to play “Tessie” for the national touring company of “Annie.” She and her mother plan to stay on tour for a year. I know that everyone has to make the best choice for their own child and family… I’m not sure I could do that (dad and a younger daughter are staying home). But they are a wonderful family and I am sure they will make it work, one way or the other. There is a four-week cancellation clause if they decide that a year away is just too much.</p>
<p>All this other stuff aside, I just love seeing my daughter on stage, regardless of the role. She is just so completely at home, and so energized. It is the same with my son with his sports, although it was definitely more fun for him and for us when he was younger and just so joyful out on the soccer and baseball fields. It is hard to explain… it’s not the outcome of the game – or the size of the role – that matters, it’s just seeing them so happy. What is that phrase… “follow your bliss,” I think. We all want our children to find that moment of completeness, don’t you think?</p>
<p>Well, thanks again for sharing your insights. I didn’t mean to get all philosophical on you. Wow, I’d better get some sleep… I’ll let you know about my daughter’s experience as soon as I hear from her.</p>
<p>Mom4Life…I am glad you found College Confidential for several reasons. One is that you should find it quite helpful as you go through the college process with your son. Read the various forums on CC, particularly the Parents Forum. Meanwhile, it is too early to think about your daughter in relation to the college process but while you are here, you may as well read the MT Forum to glimpse into the future should your D end up wanting to pursue MT for a college degree. (Also, of course, for this summer, you have this thread on SDM). </p>
<p>When I first found CC three years ago, it was due to exploring the college admissions process for my oldest D who at that time was beginning her junior year of HS and the beginning of her college search process (just like your son). I mostly participated on CC’s other forums, particularly the Parent one. But I did read the threads on MT out of interest because my younger daughter was going to go into this for college though we were not at all dealing with her process at that time as she was starting high school. But I surely learned lots here on the side as I was more involved in the older one’s college process. Lo and behold, the younger one decided to graduate HS a year early and so in tenth grade of her year, I was surely participating on the MT forum because we started this whole thing, even though I was not yet done with her sister who was in her senior year. Now, both are done (this, anyway!). So, I think you will find the CC forums very helpful in this same way for both of your children, so I urge you to also explore the regular college admissions forums/threads on CC but keep reading this one cause of your MT daughter. </p>
<p>I enjoyed your post and can surely relate. My D who is now going onto college for MT also played Baby June in Gypsy at an adult theater in our state. I loved that show. Another girl who played a younger newsboy in it is now going to be my D’s roommate at NYU. They met the prior year to Gypsy doing Annie together in our state and have remained friends ever since and in fact, that girl came to SDM for three summers several years ago and roomed with her and now they will be college roomies. </p>
<p>I also hear you on the friend going on the Networks tour of Annie coming up. Congrats to her. Several years ago, my child had auditioned for that in NYC (a prior tour with Networks) and was seen five times for it. First she was seen three times and was a finalist. I believe it was between her and a younger girl for Tessie and they met with Martin Charnin. She did not get cast but then a few months later was called in for the replacement of Annie. Went in two times for that, came down to three girls. They picked another one and the producer told my D it was due to her skin tone (the others were blond and she said my D’s skin was not as fair…it isn’t…to look as natural in red hair) and thankfully my D did not go on this tour. You may ask why I say thankfully…that is because while it certainly would be a cool experience, it would be very disruptive to our lives as I would not have gone on the tour (would not break up my family that way as I have another D) and she was to have been chaperoned by another parent on the tour. I thought the entire audition experience was a great one to go through and then not have to do the tour. I liked the outcome actually. And it was also great to experience what casting on this level can be like because of all the talented people that audition in NYC and how once they narrow it to a few who could do the part, it can come down to height, looks, skin tone, what have you. That is what this field is like and it is good to experience this because it is not as common to happen locally where they tend to just cast the most talented person for the role and are not as picky about how many inches tall you are and stuff like that. But in NYC, all this comes into play. Once my D had to go to a callback for that when she was at SDM and I was out of the country! They got a driver to take her and a counselor to accompany her…and it was very difficult for me being on an island with all that going on but it was not expected. After that experience, she got to play Annie in a local theater and that was MUCH easier on us! I liked the whole NYC thing but not having to actually do the job, which for us was difficult, plus we don’t live near NYC. The audition experiences in NYC were always worth it for the actual audition experience. Being judged by a panel of people and for things like Broadway shows and such, really builds up what is involved in auditions and how to be confident in those situations. And by the way, at several NYC auditions, often an auditor would remark about the SDM credits as they recognized the program and sometimes the auditors would say “I went there!” and they would chat about it. The SDM “family” tends to be this network you run into a lot. </p>
<p>It sounds to me that your D is doing great things in theater in your area and is heavily involved in it. I have a feeling you are in for a ride as I know the passion for this mushroomed and grew and grew and it became more than a big interest…it became my daughter’s life. I can sense that already about your D. I have this gut feeling that she is going to do great things at SDM and in life. And ya know, SDM might even be doing Annie this session. Hope you find something out…Tomorrow (sorry for that pun).</p>
<p>Susan
PS, I can relate to the soccer mom stuff too…one of my d’s played from K through 12th grade varsity and the other played from K to grade 8. I just find that as a mom, you gotta change the hat each day from soccer mom, to dance mom, to theater mom, to band mom, to ski racing mom…etc…though this is the ONLY forum I read that has to do with an activity my child does. I guess the soccer and other mom hats I wear don’t have forums (they likely do but I have never looked, lol…).</p>
<p>So Susan… how about those 3rd session shows?? ;-)</p>
<p>Matt, I did not see any posts about third session shows yet; have you? My daughter had heard of what many of them will be but we’d never say so publicly until they were announced and who knows, sometimes that stuff changes anyway. While it is of interest to us, we actually do not know any kids who are attending third session, or at least not any of my daughter’s friends. </p>
<p>Hope you are transitioning into regular life as best you can, lol. </p>
<p>The girl who played Hedy in your show had posted a link to pics her mother had taken of it and I looked at them and it looks great, and you are in lots of them. Sorry to never have seen it. </p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>Okay, so I’ve done all of my errands and chores and there’s more still to do… I really don’t have time to be wandering the cyberhallways, yet here I am. If anyone knows anything about the third session shows, please post them: I am overwhelmed with curiosity. I have heard and read some of the rumors, too… of ALL the shows, I hope my D is not in “Annie,” as she has done that show twice already (Molly and Tessie)… yes, I KNOW the SDM production would be well done, but so were the others, and we sent her to SDM to have a totally new experience. Of course, my D would enjoy it, regardless… so “que sera, sera.”</p>
<p>A completely different question: Can anyone recommend a florist shop in Loch Sheldrake/Liberty that delivers flowers to the camp? We’d like to send an arrangement to my D’s room for her and her roomies to enjoy on production weekend.</p>
<p>Hmmm. With my son and hubby in the air somewhere near LAX, and my D unable to communicate with me, I am feeling rather isolated. My neighbors and best friend are on vacation. Will someone take pity on a poor mom and release her from her computer dependency?</p>
<p>Mom4Life,</p>
<p>As a veteran SDM mom for nine years, I can tell you from experience that although the flower idea is a lovely one, the girls will not have time to appreciate this gesture. Performance weekend is unbelievably hectic. Some kids in the room might be in more than one production --if they get cast in OTC or the new Players Ensemble. The room, when they are in it, which will be HARDLY AT ALL), will look like a tornado hit with costumes, hair do-dads, make up,water bottles and sheet music strewn about. One year someone sent flowers to one of my D’s roomies and the flowers just sat there ignored until they literally rotted. The glass vase nearly got knocked over several times. Plus, the room is SOOOOOO crowded there is not a good spot for a vase of flowers. You’ll see.</p>
<p>If her roomies were anything like my D’s, they will probably appreciate any inexpensive trinket or candy. You can talk to your D before hand and find out what they would like. Many times during performance weekend breaks, my D make us dirve to the big WalMart in Monticello so she could pick up some funny cards and gag gifts for her roomies. They really enjoyed these, especially the personal note cards–which she would personalize with “in” jokes.</p>
<p>Some isolation time might be good for your soul. Take time to relax, enjoy and do nothing. Session three will arrive in no time and soon you will be be caught up in all the non-stop activity and excitement.</p>
<p>I agree with freelance…the rooms are hot and look like a tornado hit…really flowers would just be in the way. Maybe you could buy a single silk rose from a craft shop and send each girl one? That would be cute, not take up a lot of space and be a nice memento.</p>
<p>I sent my D. throatcoat tea from drugstore.com…(had it shipped directly there) She liked that! Not sure whats in it though, so not sure if you want to send it. Someone recommended it here and D. had raspy throat.</p>
<p>As far as shows go…D. told me what she heard they were…but you should be finding out for sure soon.</p>
<p>You mentioned agents etc. D. started voice in kindergarten when people kept telling me to put her in voice. A lot of people told me I should get her an agent, but I felt that it would be best for our family not to get an agent because of the disruption to the family and I wanted her to have a normal childhood. The closet agent was quite a distance away. If there had been someone local that was good we would probably have done it. </p>
<p>So she did local competitions, shows, etc. Going to Baltimore for a classical competition and locally for an “American Idol” type competition etc. That type of thing. She also joined a childrens choir and a show choir along with her private voice and did other things so she would get a lot of experience.
Now that she is older (and her sister is in college) I am allowing her to do more. She met a record producer who really loves her voice and they are working together (and have been for the past year) on a demo. Once thats ready we will send it out and see what happens.</p>
<p>Mom4Life, hang in there! First, to allay your fears, I doubt your daughter will be in Annie at SDM this session. My reason is because when the kids fill out audition forms, they often list the shows that will be produced that session and ask the kids to circle or tell which of these they have already done so that they do not do them again because it is about having new experiences. Plus there is a part where they list their experience and so I imagine your D wrote down her Annie credits. While Annie may very well be the youngest show on campus for the session (often referred to as the kiddie show), a 12 year old can be cast in shows other than the kiddie show because a 12 year old can go either way in casting…either be one of the older ones in a kiddie show or be the youngest in an older show. So, while she might not be believable or cast in Chicago, she could be in a show like Once on This Island. </p>
<p>I know how difficult it is for you because it is hard to not be able to be in touch with your child for a full week, particularly when something newsworthy like casting comes out. Normally you know what is going on in your child’s life and now something is and you don’t even know what it is. I hear ya loud and clear on that. Hopefully your D wrote you yesterday to tell you what she got and you will have a note by tomorrow or so. </p>
<p>I second (or third) what others said on the flowers. Normally when my chlid does a show or recital, we, as well as the masses get their kids flowers. It is the common thing to do. BUT this is NOT the case at SDM. I have rarely seen parents with bouquets of flowers. Not only is travel involved but the kids will not enjoy them or ever be in their rooms that weekend. So, I would think of another “good luck” gift for your daughter or if you wanted, her roomies too. Just think of any small things that you sometimes give for birthday parties and such. Or tie it to theater in some way. Sometimes I get tired of giving my D flowers because I don’t even know how much she enjoys them and I have wanted to give her something that lasts. For many shows, I have gotten her a snowglobe (she has a collection) relating to the show in some way. Last night, my D had her opening night here for a professional production of Bat Boy. I did not search for a snowglobe on that one! But I did find a little frame with a theatrical saying to put on her desk and gave her that in lieu of flowers this time. You could do that at camp. And while I have given “break a leg” or “congrats” gifts to my D for every show she has done or dance recital, I have to tell you that i have never given her anything for her SDM shows, come to think of it! I have not seen it done as much there. I give her so much stuff to go there and just the whole deal, I just don’t do gifts on parent weekend. What we DO DO, which you might want to do, is that on performance weekend, they sell SDM gear and so we often buy her some SDM stuff as a present on that weekend, and did so this year again. And then order a video she might want…it adds up real quick. So think about if you may want to buy her a SDM tank top or sweats, or backpack as her “good luck” thing instead of flowers. You could always get each girl some little make up thing or something along those lines…a picture frame. </p>
<p>I know it is very weird to not have your kids home and it takes some getting used to but by the same token, try to enjoy the freedom!!!</p>
<p>Susan</p>
<p>While I was aware of the shows for the third session, I did not want to post or say anything out of deference to the camp’s wishes to not reveal the list until cast. Word often trickles out so I knew that way. However, Konnie (producer) has posted the list on the SDM board and so go and take a look. There are several shows that a child your D’s age could be in besides Annie. Great shows…</p>
<p>Susan</p>