Stanford vs Ivy League

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<p>I was just thinking, isn’t Stanford better that most of the Ivy League colleges? Then why do people only idolize Ivy League colleges and not Stanford, MIT etc? </p>

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<p>KnightOne: I don’t want to get into the “better than” argument. Stanford and the Ivy’s are all extraordinary with extraordinary students / faculties / resources. But I think you are misinformed about Stanford not being “idolized”. Stanford was the most selective college this past admissions cycle as expressed by admissions acceptance rate. Stanford is at the top of several desirability polls of both parents and prospective students. I would say the same is more or less true for MIT.</p>

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<p>Not sure how you measure “idolize”.</p>

<p>7,000 more students applied to Stanford than Harvard.
23,000 more students vs. Dartmouth. Dartmouth also had fewer applicants than MIT.</p>

<p>“Ivy League” is a sports conference designation and the colleges in them vary widely.</p>

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<p>Most “people” have no clue who the actual members of the Ivy League are. For many, the holy grail schools are HYPSM (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT). But, yeah, Stanford is the ultimate dream for plenty of kids.</p>

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<p>Stanford is a huge name internationally. Since the world is more globalized, there is nothing wrong to consider world famous universities.</p>

<p>Using my Asian knowledge, these are the top top top universities: (If they have a translated name, they are big names internationally)
Harvard: 1000 mH (哈佛, Ha Fu ）
Stanford: 1000 mH （史坦福, Shi Tan Fu ）
MIT: 1000 mH （麻省理工, Ma Sheng Li Gong）
Cornell: 1000 mH （康乃爾, Kang Nai Er）</p>

<p>Don’t just believe me, see the real oversea internet hits on the websites of these universities:
<a href=“http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/”>http://www.4icu.org/topNorth-America/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>MIT
Stanford
Harvard
Berkeley (it is always on TV shows or movies hence boost it’s name recognition)
Cornell</p>

<p>Ivy league is famous as a whole, it is a symbol of intelligence (almost no Asians know it is a sports league, it is viewed as academic king). Asian general publics only know Harvard and Cornell are in the Ivy League. Yale was thought of as a British university and Princeton was known as a private university but not known to be a member of the Ivy League. </p>

<p>Stanford is in an upward popularity no matter it is here in the US or overseas.</p>

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<p>^^^So glad you feel qualified speak for all Asians with your “Asian knowledge.” </p>

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<p>I’m pretty sure that those aren’t overseas hits – those are hits from everywhere. If you look at the universities in the entire world, it’s basically the same: <a href=“http://www.4icu.org/top200/”>http://www.4icu.org/top200/&lt;/a&gt; The reason some of those schools are so high is because of their size, and popularity for factors not related to prestige. I’m guessing that the majority of these hits are coming from the very modernized United States, which explains why its universities take up the first 16 spots.</p>

<p>Also, people consider Stanford to be at or above the level of the Ivy League. At my school, it’s the college where everyone wants to go. Stanford is idolized, and so is the Ivy League. Everyone thinks that Stanford is an amazing school, but they also think that the schools in the Ivy League are amazing, but each has a different atmosphere – Stanford doesn’t feel like an Ivy League school, but not in a bad way. </p>

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<p>^ Yeah I agree. Standford has more of an open, relaxed, “Californian” feel compared to Ivy’s who have more of a professional, cold feel imo.</p>

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<p>Anybody smart enough for Stanford or the Ivy League certainly knows you can’t make gross generalizations about “people” anywhere. Your high school is hardly representative of “people” all over the world.</p>

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<p>I’m assuming your misspelling of “Stanford” is a typo; just for the record, however, it’s “Ivies” (not “Ivy’s”). And they’re hardly all the same. Have you actually visited all eight of them?</p>

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<p>@LucieTheLakie I was accepted to Stanford but turned it down for Yale, so I do think that I am “smart enough for Stanford or the Ivy League.” But honestly, thank you for your comment, next time I’ll make sure to add “in my observations, at my school…” </p>

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<p>I recently turned down Yale/Princeton for Stanford, but it wasn’t easy. Where I’m from (NJ East Coast), in my opinion the Stanford name isn’t as recognized and appreciated as Yale/Princeton, at least to the common person… but it’s still good. I feel that on the west coast the opposite might be true. </p>

<p>Nonetheless, at my high school, Stanford is often viewed as better than HYP, but many are too afraid to apply there because of the acceptance rate or want to stay on the east coast.</p>

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<p>@guccigirl‌
Trust me, the Stanford name is more recognized than the Yale or Princeton name.</p>

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<p>If it came right down to choosing between an Ivy and Stanford – or any other elite school, for that matter – it would bum me out for someone to choose one over the other because of name recognition factors. If you were in love with Brown, but chose Yale? You’ll get a spectacular (but relatively equal) education at any of these awesome schools. Odds are, the people hiring you will have heard of all of them, and the kids from at least my high school are just choosing what they’ve seen pop up the most in TV, movies, sports, etc.</p>

<p>I am actually going to Stanford next year though, if that makes any difference. The only other kid from my school who got accepted chose Harvard instead. People at my school seem to disagree with his choice, but it’s mostly because a) we’re on the west coast, and Stanford tends to be the holy grail over here, and b) weather. A lot of it is weather.</p>

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<p>Tanboyrunfast, Even if the web traffics were from all over the world including U.S., school size didn’t paly a definete role. MIT has only about 1,000 freshman class size, Stanford 1,600, Harvard 1,600 but MIT isn’t less popular. </p>

<p>On the other hand, Arizona State may be the largest among all but it is at #45. </p>

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<p>I think if anyone wants to ask to compare these top schools in America (or compare Stanford and Ivy League), the good high school counselors who are dealing with prospective students for top schools everyday are the most credible. </p>

<p>This is how award winning high school counselors rank them:
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/high-school-counselor”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/high-school-counselor&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<h1>1 Cornell, Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Stanford, Yale (Alphabetic)</h1>

<h1>7 Brown, Columbia, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, Penn</h1>

<h1>12 CalTech, Carnegie Mellon, Duke, Georgetown, UC Berkeley, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt</h1>

<h1>19 Northwestern, Chicago, William and Mary, Emory, Rice, Tuffs, UCLA, North Carolina – Chapel Hill, UVA, Washington U in St. Louis</h1>

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<p>^ The difference between the schools ranked 19th and 1st is 0.3 points out of 5. That doesn’t strike me as being particularly significant. </p>

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<p>^ Right, if we convert this to a scale of 100, we have #1 at 98, #7 at 96, #12 at 94, #19 at 92. May be just the difference of A+ and A-?</p>