<p>Another vote for the new “Star Trek”–and my allegiance was solely to the original TV series. The special effects were dandy, but what was important to me was the character development–and I think the characterizations of the younger versions of everyone were spot on–although William Shatner probably wishes he was half as cool as Chris Pine!</p>
<p><strong>SPOILER ALERT</strong>*</p>
<p>Anybody notice that the new movie is a take-off on the 2nd movie (The Wrath of Khan)?</p>
<p>The Wrath of Khan: Khan is upset at Kirk for allowing Khan’s wife to be killed, and so decides to steal the “Genesis” device to destoy Kirk’s home planet (Earth)</p>
<p>New Star Trek Movie: Nero is upset at Spock for allowing Nero’s wife to be killed, and so decides he has to destory Spock’s planet (Vulcan) </p>
<p>Also, did anybody notice that there weren’t any strong women roles in this one? I guess the idea is for this movie to do well in macho and muslim countries.</p>
<p>Lastly, what about all the obvious stuff missed in the movie: Spock’s mother dies and Spock’s father (Sarek) doesn’t even react. In one of the old movies or TV episodes they said that when a married vulcan dies the mate dies or else suffers tremendously. And why does Spock put Kirk in a pod and ejects him. Even in this movie, they point out that it’s a violation of Startrek rules–so why would the “logical” vulcan who follows all the rules do it? And if he could violate this rule, why wouldn’t he violate the one about being emotionally compromised as well? </p>
<p>But, yes, it’s a real fun movie–one I’ve already seen twice–so I guess that means I liked it.</p>
<p>Cacruzer, can you tell me which Start Trek movie has “strong women” in it? In the Original Star Trek, they tried having a female first officer, but the audience, women in particular, wouldn’t have it. That is when they changed the character from a female to a vulcan. And in Star Trek movies, women generally play the role of counselor or doctor. The only exception was the Borg leader in First Contact. She was cool! hehe!</p>
<p>But what will New Kirk and New Spock do when they encounter Tribbles, that’s what I want to know.</p>
<p>^ haha did you see the tribble in a little cage on Scotty’s desk when Kirk first meets him? :D</p>
<p>Alexandre, the lack of strong women may true of the movies, but there were strong women characters in both *Deep Space Nine<a href=“Dax,%20although%20given%20all%20the%20multiple%20past%20lives,%20not%20sure%20if%20she%20counts%20as%20male%20or%20female%20or%20both;%20Kira”>/I</a> and *Voyager<a href=“Capt.%20Janeway”>/I</a>.</p>
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Well, TNG violated that canon anyway - Sarek had remarried after Amanda died. And given what we know about Sarek’s control of himself until his illness on TNG, it is quite possible that he hid his suffering until the current crisis was over, or until he could mourn in private, or so that his own mourning would not interfere with the job Spock had to do.</p>
<p>It’ll be interesting to see how the new Trek universe evolves.</p>
<p>I haven’t seen it yet. One question, though: does the Spock from the future have a beard? If so, it could cast some interesting light on this alternate universe stuff.</p>
<p>No way! Scotty had a tribble? </p>
<p>I have to go see the movie again.</p>
<p>No beard on the future Spock. I missed the tribble also! </p>
<p>7 of 9–one of my favorite characters!</p>
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<p>Well, there is a pretty strong woman in person of Captain Janeway in the Star Trek:Voyager series. Although I’ve always viewed Voyager as basically one big retelling of the Odyssey - but this time with Penelope in command of the ship.</p>
<p>Coureur and Chedva, this isn’t Voyager, it is Kirk’s Enterprise. The only leading female character is Uhura, and she isn’t one of the principle characters at that. </p>
<p>“Also, did anybody notice that there weren’t any strong women roles in this one? I guess the idea is for this movie to do well in macho and muslim countries.”</p>
<p>Calcruzer, that wasn’t nice.</p>
<p>Oh, I understand, Alexandre. I expanded the comment to the rest of the Star Trek canon (you also mentioned TNG). And I don’t have a problem that there weren’t strong women; this movie takes place prior to the original series, which also didn’t have strong women.</p>
<p>I was, however, pleased that they did explain that this was an alternate timeline. At first, I was getting annoyed about things that didn’t work with the original (like Chekov on the bridge - he didn’t join Trek until the 2nd season!). But who knows about an alternat timeline?</p>
<p>This is why I love Star Trek! After a while, conversations on the minutiae start resembling rabinacal arguments and discussions over Torah.</p>
<p>Re post #52;</p>
<p>And Captain Christopher Pike, the first commander of the U.S.S. Enterprise, didn’t appear in the series until the famous episode in which Spock was court martialed for mutiny. With this alternate timeline, anything is possible. Personally, I’d like to see an update of my favorite episode, ‘The Homicidal M-5 Supercomputer.’</p>
<p>^^Right, but that Capt. Pike episode is actually the earliest Star Trek show filmed. It was the pilot from which the series was developed. That’s why you see a female first officer who was later nixed (and the actress, Mrs. Gene Roddenberry, later reappeared as Nurse Chapel and the feminine voice of all the Star Trek computers). Spock was also a rather different sort of characer in the Pike pilot - he smiles for one thing and is not so devoted to logic.</p>
<p>Then after the series got rolling with Kirk replacing Pike due to unavailability of the actor, they repackaged the Pike pilot into the the two-part mutiny episode that we are familiar with.</p>
<p>Oh, and of course, re Chekov - he was 19 on the Enterprise when Kirk was in his 30’s.</p>
<p>And you’re right, coureur - Roddenberry wanted a strong female character, but in the late 60’s, the networks didn’t think that people would buy it, particularly a logical, unemotional woman.</p>