State of Wonder – October CC Book Club Selection

<p>Non-fiction by Patchett – “Truth & Beauty” about her friendship with writer Lucy Grealy. Someone told me to first read Grealy’s book, “Autobiography of a Face,” and then to read Parchett’s book, which I did. As I’ve said before, I just really, really like the way Patchett writes; how she uses words and language.</p>

<p>One of Marina’s “strongest” moments is when she leaves immediately to go find Anders. Even Dr. Swenson wants to put together a plan, but Marina just collects a few things and leaves. Will she become less submissive in her “new” post-Amazon life?</p>

<p>Thanks for the recommendation, CBBBlinker!</p>

<p>There is one thing I wasn’t clear on, and I thought some of you might have some insight. </p>

<p>We learn late in the novel that Dr. Swenson has not been entirely open about the fertility drug–that she is primarily interested in it only as it relates to the malarial vaccine, which she believes is the greater good. </p>

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<p>Fair enough. Whatever her motives, she is still moving toward a viable fertility drug. However, after her baby dies in utero, Dr. Swenson says to Marina:</p>

<p>“Whether or not I am finished remains to be seen, but I want you to know that the drug is finished, at least the fertility aspect. Mr. Fox can go cry in his cups.” She continues, “Let the fifty-year-olds console themselves with in vitro as they have in the past. I have no intention of unleashing this misery on the world because I trust women to stop trying at a sensible age.” (p. 311)</p>

<p>Isn’t she being a little na</p>

<p>^^^</p>

<p>Me - I don’t think Pandora’s Box can be reclosed.</p>

<p>Now to answer your question: “Can Dr. Swenson really believe for an instant that the project is over simply because she says it’s over?” Sure. ;)</p>

<p>Confusing issue to me, too.
I assumed the fertility drug was doomed due to the severe birth defects of Swenson’s baby.</p>

<p>^ Maybe the birth defect will derail the project (at least for a little while until the company can be certain the drug won’t be some thalidomide-type disaster), but Dr. Swenson made her pronouncement before she even knew her baby had birth defects. I think she decided the drug was a bad idea and believed that would be the end of it, not fully grasping (which is unlike her) that, as ignatius put it, Pandora’s box had already been opened.</p>

<p>Do you think she pronounced it doomed, because she was suffering so much as 70 year old pregnant woman? I didn’t realize she made the statement BEFORE she gave birth. (It was a ridiculous concept anyway, but Patchett claims she selected a fertility drug vs a drug more limited in scope- still stupid in my opinion)</p>

<p>I do think that Dr. Swenson thinks she can slam that box closed. She often decides a course and moves forward expecting those around her to fall in line. Think how she decides to handle Ander’s death. Certainly Mr. Fox toes the line so far. Dr. Swenson seems to think of him as a gnat or mosquito - annoying but easily swatted away.</p>

<p>I think she seriously underestimates Mr. Fox. At best, Dr. Swenson can delay the inevitable.</p>

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Well, it certainly generates a lot of discussion, though, doesn’t it? :)</p>

<p>CBBBlinker, right you are, the entire book has been one of the best for discussion. Right up there with The Help!</p>

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<p>I agree! All our discussions have been unique and enjoyable in their own way, but I think my favorites have been The Help, Cutting for Stone and State of Wonder.</p>

<p>And on that note…</p>

<p>Shall we begin thinking about our December selection? For newcomers (or those of us past our prime, with short memories), here are the books we have discussed to date:</p>

<p>2009:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/722812-cc-june-summer-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/722812-cc-june-summer-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt; (The Guernsey Literary and Potato Peel Pie Society)</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/739173-dreamers-day-july-cc-summer-book-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/739173-dreamers-day-july-cc-summer-book-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/756770-sarah-s-key-august-cc-summer-book-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/756770-sarah-s-key-august-cc-summer-book-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/775489-american-wife-october-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/775489-american-wife-october-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/802971-thirteenth-tale-december-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/802971-thirteenth-tale-december-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2010:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/839908-help-february-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/839908-help-february-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/874004-shadow-wind-april-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/874004-shadow-wind-april-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/921062-elegance-hedgehog-june-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/921062-elegance-hedgehog-june-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/950434-let-great-world-spin-august-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/950434-let-great-world-spin-august-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/983235-cutting-stone-october-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/983235-cutting-stone-october-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1017662-moonstone-december-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1017662-moonstone-december-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>2011:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1051496-major-pettigrew-s-last-stand-february-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1051496-major-pettigrew-s-last-stand-february-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1088114-water-elephants-april-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1088114-water-elephants-april-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1128229-hotel-corner-bitter-sweet-june-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1128229-hotel-corner-bitter-sweet-june-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1164259-secret-garden-forgotten-garden-august-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1164259-secret-garden-forgotten-garden-august-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1196045-state-wonder-october-cc-book-club-selection.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parent-cafe/1196045-state-wonder-october-cc-book-club-selection.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Here are some of the selections my former RL Book Club is doing this year – former because we moved in July.</p>

<p>“Olive Kittredge” by Elizabeth Strout
“The Immortal Life of Henrietts Lacks” by Rebecca Skloot (non-fiction)
“Clara and Mr. Tiffany: A Novel” by Susan Vreeland
“Caleb’s Crossing” by Geraldine Brooks
“Half Broke Horses: A True-Life Novel” by Jeannette Walls</p>

<p>I can’t comment on any of them except “Olive Kittredge,” which I read a couple of years ago. I know I enjoyed it, but with my aging memory … :)</p>

<p>Great suggestions! The only one mentioned I would be less enthusiastic about was Half Broke Horses. I was quite enthralled with The Glass Castle, but disappointed with this memoir about Jeanette Walls grandmother-it would be interesting discussion though. I heard Geraldine Brooks inteviewed about Caleb’s Crossing-very interesting. Herrietta LaCKS would also be an interesting read. You all always come up with great ideas for books!</p>

<p>^^^ CBBBlinker’s suggestions look good. I’ve read The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks and would do so again- excellent choice for discussion. I’m least interested in Clara and Mr. Tiffany.</p>

<p>Titles we’ve previously considered (and I think I missed a title or two, as I just glanced quickly):</p>

<p>The Invisible Bridge </p>

<p>A Tree Grows in Brooklyn</p>

<p>*Finding Nouf<a href=“and%20maybe%20continue%20on%20to%20%5Bi%5DCity%20of%20Veils%5B/i%5D”>/i</a></p>

<p>*The Paris Wife<a href=“and%20we%20discussed%20combining%20it%20with%20%5Bi%5DThe%20Sun%20Also%20Rises%5B/i%5D”>/i</a></p>

<p>My book club read the previously considered The School of Night, and everyone felt that it didn’t live up to its reviews - not a bad book, just less than expected.</p>

<p>New books I’m itching to read :):</p>

<p>Caleb’s Crossing - 1600s, Native Americans, early settlers … November/Thanksgiving holidays may be perfect timing … on CBBBlinker’s list … and my RL book club … and just mentioned by PATheaterMom </p>

<p>The Family Fang</p>

<p>The Night Circus - Fantasy … a different genre for us … but just look at the reviews.</p>

<p>The Cat’s Table</p>

<p>The Language of Flowers</p>

<p><em>Disclaimer - I have read none of the above books so have no idea which - if any - holds discussion potential.</em> </p>

<p>Mary … do your usual excellent job of weeding through suggestions and coming up with a viable list. :)</p>

<p>I read “The Invisible Bridge” fairly recently; it was excellent. I think (not positive) it was recommended over on the “One of the Best Book You’ve Read in the Last 6 Months Thread.” About Hungarian Jews during WW II. So much I never learned in history …</p>

<p>Ignatius, of your “new books I’m itching to read,” I must admit there were no titles that I was familiar with. I looked up reviews in places like the New York Times, etc (not just Amazon, lol).</p>

<p>Based on the reviews, plus reading a little bit of the beginnings of some of the books on Amazon, the book on your list that I am sure I would love to read and discuss is…</p>

<p>“The Cat’s Table,” by Michael Ondaatje.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/books/the-cats-table-by-michael-ondaatje-review.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/books/the-cats-table-by-michael-ondaatje-review.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>^^^ Sorry. I should have thrown in some info.</p>

<p>Caleb’s Crossing: [Book</a> Reviews - Caleb’s Crossing by Geraldine Brooks](<a href=“http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/calebs_crossing/]Book”>http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/calebs_crossing/)</p>

<p>The Family Fang: [Book</a> Reviews - The Family Fang by Kevin Wilson](<a href=“http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/family_fang/]Book”>http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/family_fang/)</p>

<p>The Night Circus: [Book</a> Reviews - The Night Circus by Erin Morgenstern](<a href=“http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/night_circus/]Book”>http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/night_circus/)</p>

<p>The Cat’s Table: [Book</a> Reviews - The Cat’s Table by Michael Ondaatje](<a href=“http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/cats_table/]Book”>http://www.reviewsofbooks.com/cats_table/)</p>

<p>The Language of Flowers:<br>
BookList:/* Starred Review */ Abandoned as an infant, Victoria grew up as a ward of the California foster-care system and, abused and neglected, turned into an angry, uncontrollable child. Deemed “unadoptable,” she gets one final chance at a home life when she is placed with Elizabeth, a single woman running her family’s vineyard in the verdant hills outside San Francisco. Days before Victoria is scheduled to be officially adopted by Elizabeth, a terrible misunderstanding violently tears them apart, and she is sent back into the system. Though the emotional damage seems insurmountable, Victoria’s time on the farm taught her that there were other ways of getting her message across. Finally forced to support herself, Victoria lands a job with a florist and uses her knowledge of the hidden meaning of flowers to gradually and fitfully make her way back into the world—one that will include a career, motherhood, and the personal forgiveness necessary for her to love and be loved in return. Enchanting, ennobling, and powerfully engaging, Diffenbaugh’s artfully accomplished debut novel lends poignant testimony to the multitude of mysteries held in the human heart. – Haggas, Carol (Reviewed 05-15-2011) (Booklist, vol 107, number 18, p17) .</p>

<p>Publishers Weekly: Diffenbaugh’s affecting debut chronicles the first harrowing steps into adulthood taken by a deeply wounded soul who finds her only solace in an all-but-forgotten language. On her 18th birthday, Victoria Jones ages out of the foster care system, a random series of living arrangements around the San Francisco Bay Area the only home she’s ever known. Unable to express herself with words, she relies on the Victorian language of flowers to communicate: dahlias for “dignity”; rhododendron for “beware.” Released from care with almost nothing, Victoria becomes homeless, stealing food and sleeping in McKinley Square, in San Francisco, where she maintains a small garden. Her secret knowledge soon lands her a job selling flowers, where she meets Grant, a mystery man who not only speaks her language, but also holds a crucial key to her past. Though Victoria is wary of almost everyone, she opens to Grant, and he reconnects her with the only person who has ever mattered in her life. Diffenbaugh’s narrator is a hardened survivor and wears her damage on her sleeve. Struggling against all and ultimately reborn, Victoria Jones is hard to love, but very easy to root for. (Sept.) --Staff (Reviewed May 30, 2011) (Publishers Weekly, vol 258, issue 22, p) .</p>

<p>Library Journal:/* Starred Review */ Diffenbaugh’s debut novel opens on Victoria Jones’s 18th birthday, which coincides with her emancipation from California’s foster care system. Abandoned at birth, Victoria has grown up in a string of bad foster homes, except for the one year she spent with Elizabeth, a vineyard owner who taught her the meaning of flowers. Alternating between Victoria’s brief time with Elizabeth and her unsteady attempt to face life as an adult with little education and less experience, Diffenbaugh weaves together the two narratives using the Victorian language of flowers that ultimately helps shape Victoria’s future as she grapples with a painful decision from her past. VERDICT Victoria might be her own worst enemy, but her defensiveness and self-doubt as a foster child and her desire to live beyond what she was thought capable of will sway readers toward her favor. Fans of Janet Fitch’s White Oleander will enjoy this solid and well-written debut, which is also certain to be a hit with book clubs. [National marketing campaign reflects strong in-house buzz; rights sold in 22 countries; Diffenbaugh will be a featured speaker at the May 24 BEA Random House/LJ Book and Author Breakfast, .—Ed.]— Mara Dabrishus, Ursuline Coll., Pepper Pike, OH --Mara Dabrishus (Reviewed June 1, 2011) (Library Journal, vol 136, issue 10, p90) .</p>

<p>Kirkus:Cleverly combining tender and tough, Diffenbaugh’s highly anticipated debut creates a place in the world for a social misfit with floral insight.After more than 32 homes, 18-year-old Victoria Jones, abandoned as a baby, has given up on the idea of love or family. Scarred, suspicious and defiant, she has nothing: no friends, no money, just an attitude, an instinct for flowers and an education in their meaning from Elizabeth, the one kind foster parent who persevered with her. Now graduating out of state care, Victoria must make her own way and starts out by sleeping rough in a local San Francisco park. But a florist gives her casual work and then, at a flower market, she meets Grant, Elizabeth’s nephew, another awkward soul who speaks the language of flowers. Diffenbaugh narrates Victoria and Grant’s present-day involvement, over which the cloud of the past hangs heavy, in parallel with the history of Elizabeth’s foster care, which we know ended badly. After a strong, self-destructive start, Victoria’s long road to redemption takes some dips including an unconvincing, drawn-out subplot involving Elizabeth’s sister, arson and postnatal depression. While true to the logic of its perverse psychology, the story can be exasperating before finally swerving toward the light.An unusual, overextended romance, fairy tale in parts but with a sprinkling of grit.(Kirkus Reviews, August 1, 2011) .</p>

<p>^^^ Ignatius, can we assume you might be<br>
leaning towards the**The Language of Flowers ** :)</p>

<p>I’ll read whatever is decided.</p>

<p>^^^ </p>

<p>Nope - Just couldn’t find The Language of Flowers on the same site as the other books. I pulled its reviews from a database accessed through my library. I admit it looks suspiciously preferential. LOL</p>

<p>SJCM: The suggestion for Caleb’s Crossing originated with you. I believe you mentioned liking Geraldine Brooks. Have you read Caleb’s Crossing?</p>

<p>Not SJCM (obviously) but I’ll add my 2 cents re: Geraldine Brooks – I’ve read “People of the Book” and “Year of Wonder.” Both were excellent.</p>