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<p>Poppy was reporting what she observed. Hardly outrageous. If the victim wanted to be interviewed I am sure Poppy would have interviewed the victim as well. Candy Crowley didn’t so anything outrageous either.</p>
<p>When I was in school in the 1970’s, just being “developed” was enough to be worthy of derision and objectification.
Ive posted before about the rapes that were the result of my assault at school not being taken seriously by school administration, so there really isn’t any need on rehashing old news. But it makes me furious that this attitude still exists.</p>
<p>Ive read recent posts on the CC boards by parents who have posted for years when they discuss the appearance of girls with curvy bodies. You know who you are.
Those young women are expected to cover up, although their friends who are built like sticks are allowed to wear skimpy shirts and shorts without being criticized.</p>
<p>What is more important? Is a 14 year old girl allowed to dress like she wants, like her friends? Or does she have to conform to what we feel she should look like so that she doesn’t provoke any purient interest?</p>
<p>I think the point has to be that this is criminal behavior.</p>
<p>This isn’t a normal healthy male response to an intoxicated woman. It really isn’t.</p>
<p>Plenty of young men in the same situation would do the right thing. I know this and I’ve seen this. this is criminal behavior.</p>
<p>When presented with an intoxicated young women, most young men do not see this as a sexual opportunity. Most see it as a problem to be addressed. As in, “Do we need to call an ambulance or get her home?” </p>
<p>I just wanted to say this because I think sometimes the way the media portrays these criminals, we get the idea that this is just “how guys are.” And it isn’t. This is how some criminal sexual offenders are.</p>
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<p>So far around 100,000 people have signed a petition that says they disagree with this. Though you are certainly entitled to your opinion, too.</p>
<p>important comments, completely agree. thanks poetgrl</p>
<p>I understand the relationship between alcohol and drugs and rape/sexual assault. Hey, I used to do the data for our state!</p>
<p>But I am still convinced that rape is a crime of power, not sex, and that high school criminality is, often enough, is a reflection of, and reaction to, the state of powerlessness we hold children and youth in within our culture.</p>
<p>Rape existed long before high school existed. Are there cultures where rape does not occur?</p>
<p>Because, if there is a way to end this culturally that would be good.</p>
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<p>Quote, Poppy: “It was incredibly emotional—incredibly difficult even for an outsider like me to watch what happened as these two young men that had such promising futures, star football players, very good students, literally watched as they believe their life fell apart.”</p>
<p>Yeah, putting the rapists in the victim’s spotlight, without a blip on their brutal and idiotic behavior, isn’t outrageous at all, not to mention she said nothing about the poor girl and how she was mentally affected until Candy had to prompt her. “literally watched as they believe their life fell apart” give me a break their life fell apart when they decided to rape the girl, not when they were sentenced.</p>
<p>Among pastoralists, apparently, rape is very, very, very rare. Among some of the cultures studied by Margaret Mead, it was also very rare, though they had a much looser form of “monogamy” than most Americans would seem to tolerate. Like other forms of violent power crimes, it may also be associated with crowded urban settings. There are also matriarchal, matrilineal cultures in India where it is (or was) unknown, until they were crowded out of their female-based compounds.</p>
<p>Native Americans have extremely high rates of rape (up to four times the national average). Most of it seemingly associated with powerlessness in reservation settings. I have heard Native American spiritual leaders allude to the fact that rape was once unknown among their people, but I don’t know how much of this is just a hymn to the good ol’ days, coupled with the fact that maybe no one used to talk about it, coupled with the fact that all the spiritual leaders were male.</p>
<p>Not being much of a drinker or partier, I’ve always wondered how it is that the girls end up comotose-drunk at these wild parties, while the boys stay sober enough to commit acts of rape. Why aren’t the boys passed out senseless, lying face down in their own puke just like the girls? Does their ability to commit a crime at a wild party like that suggest some pre-meditation? Boys seem to drink more and faster, but their size would somewhat equalize that difference, so what gives? (Obviously, the use of date rape drugs is a totally different matter.)</p>
<p>The boys certainly do get drunk and pass out. They just don’t get raped.</p>
<p>(trying my best to be civil after those statements…)</p>
<p>Also D says the girls are served different (more potent) drinks, at least at frat parties, and all girls drinks are FREE. Also girls have open free invitations to all frat parties. She learned this before she started as a transfer student there.</p>
<p>Have also heard that both genders get drunk, sick and pass out. Also know both genders are advised to have friends standing by if they’re drunk to be sure they get home safely and get attention for alcohol poisoning if the situation arises.</p>
<p>Don’t know much about the high school criminals, but on college campus, it appears that many of the crimes are committed by a smaller number of criminals (as opposed to the euphemistic “date rape”) and that the predators do indeed plot their crimes.</p>
<p>“The boys certainly do get drunk and pass out. They just don’t get raped.”</p>
<p>They do. Both Williams and Amherst males reported they had been raped. (And, apparently, not by gay students.) For a high school guy to report having been raped takes an awful lot of courage.</p>
<p>Yes, there is some new research which is positing that these rapists are predators and that they are serial rapists and that it isn’t one rape per rapist. This is a criminal act. It’s not an accident. Most young men, even on college campuses, are not rapists, but the likelihood of being raped goes up exponentially for a young woman on a college campus.</p>
<p>Is this a feature of the rape culture and the fact that schools protect and basically harbor these criminal sexual offenders? This is an area of study that is being considered right now, and should be taken up soon.</p>
<p>ETA: yes, the most recent, and most researchers believe highly underreported percent is 1 in 10 college men will be raped by other college men. (not gay) 1 in 4 or 5 young women</p>
<p>Yes mini, I agree. It’s more rare but it does happen to boys too. They are probably even less likely to report it (but I don’t know that for sure). Thank you for the correction.</p>
<p>I suspect it goes up even more exponentially the more those females are heavily into the drug and alcohol fueled parties, especially with GOD athletes and frats. Serial rapists is in some ways even more disturbing. Especially because it implies they feel its safe for them to continue to commit these crimes. </p>
<p>Some of the HAZING looks plenty scary too.</p>
<p>Only 55% of young women who report being raped on college campus report having consumed alcohol, though 70% of men who admit to rape report having consumed alcohol.</p>
<p><a href=“Alert Carolina – UNC at Chapel Hill”>Alert Carolina – UNC at Chapel Hill;
<p>Just also to add: always report rapes to the local police before going to the university. Make sure to get a copy of the police report before going to the university, as well. Make sure you make two contacts at the university with that report, the dean of students and the campus police, and keep one for yourself. You will need an advocate, also. Make sure you have the support of older adults, preferably your parents if you can tell them. You may need an attorney. Never agree to a non criminal solution BEFORE the police investigation is over. This is a criminal and not an academic matter or a student life matter.</p>
<p>“men who admit to rape” ^^^^ do you mean being rapists or being victims?</p>
<p>[One</a> In Four USA](<a href=“http://www.oneinfourusa.org/statistics.php]One”>One In Four USA)</p>
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<p>“men who admit to rape” ^^^^ do you mean being rapists or being victims?"</p>
<p>I think it means the criminals.</p>
<p>yes, I’m sorry. the criminals.</p>