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<p>false reports for rape, as is noted in several of the links to research on this thread, is 2-8%. Much rarer than in other crimes.</p>

<p>So, women rarely lie about rape. Please open another thread to discuss false reports.</p>

<p>If you would like to discuss false reports and their frequency, I can suggest you look at the government and DOJ studies. </p>

<p>Also, there is much other research related to stranger rape, different than most of the so called acquaintance rape information linked on this thread. So, you might have to dig around to find some numbers.</p>

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<p>I would not describe 2 to 8 percent as being rare. Maybe infrequent, but not rare. The other interesting point of the 60 minutes story was that the defendant was 17 when he was accused like one of the defendants in Steubenville. He received ten years because he was persuaded by his attorney that he would not get a fair trial and would be sentenced to a much harsher penalty. Ten years is a lot more than two years with good behavior.</p>

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<p>Sadly it is stories of these rare false reports that make it so tough for victims to be willing to come forward and report. They are already dealing with so much prejudice. I really wonder about this man’s attorney and the evidence in the case.</p>

<p>It seems he must have been sentenced under different rules. He served 5 year from what I heard of the program. The judge in Ohio gave swntences of one and two years. No info was presented snout details of the case but if he was potentially to serve up to 41 years, he must have been charged as an adult.</p>

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<p>The 2-8% are of reported rapes. Most rapes are not reported. Unreported rapes by definition can’t be false reports. So, of all rapes, the percentage of false reports is much, much, much lower.</p>

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<p>True, Mini.</p>

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<p>That makes sense. </p>

<p>If the Steubenville defendants had been tried as adults, I have to wonder if they would have gotten much longer sentences or felt more pressure to plead guilty. </p>

<p>I thought it was interesting that there was no DNA evidence of rape yet the court accepted Bank’s plea of guilt. I wish his attorney had spoken on the show to find out why she felt he would not get a fair trial.</p>

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<p>There was a motion to try them as adults but it was denied. Even as juveniles, I believe the defendants could have received longer sentences than they were given. </p>

<p>I don’t understand why Banks attorney urged him to plead no contest either, especially with the DNA evidence. Don’t have any idea why it would be assumed he would t get a fair trial.</p>

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<p>My dictionary defines rare as " infrequently".</p>

<p>So perhaps 7% of reported rapes are declared to be unsubstantiated.
A shame.
But- as large of a shame as the numbers of rapes that go UNREPORTED every year?</p>

<p>Its estimated as many as 50% to 70% of sexual assaults go unreported.</p>

<p>Surely we can agree that 70% is a larger number than 7%.</p>

<p>So which number should we be spending most of our attention upon?</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.pbs.org/kued/nosafeplace/studyg/rape.html[/url]”>http://www.pbs.org/kued/nosafeplace/studyg/rape.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>My dictionary defines rare as “Not occurring very often.” If 2 to 8 percent of accusations of rape are false, I don’t consider that rare.</p>

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<p>Actually we should be spending our time on justice and being falsely accused of a crime is an injustice. Is it better or worse than rape, I don’t know, but I do know it is a tragedy to improperly deny someone liberty.</p>

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<p>What is being denied to these people who are victims of violent crime? Many are being denied support, appropriate medical care, counseling to recover from trauma and PTSD. No one is saying it is appropriate for anyone to be wrongly accused, nor convicted of ANY crime. The legal system does the best it can to help provide justice. It seems highly preferred over university systems which are designed to paint the U in the rosiest light.</p>

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<p>Razorsharp, Id go along with that serving a long time in prison for something that you did not do is almost as dehumanizing as being raped.</p>

<p>Perhaps you can post a link to the numbers of people who are innocent of assault, yet are serving time. Im very curious as who that affects.</p>

<p>We already know who is being raped. Young, timid, trusting, dependent, fragile and defenseless.
Surely the people being unjustly convicted are equally as vulnerable and innocent.</p>

<p>The innocence project would be an interesting topic for another thread.
Ill give you a link to get started.
[The</a> Innocence Project - Home](<a href=“http://www.innocenceproject.org/]The”>http://www.innocenceproject.org/)</p>

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<p>It’s a tiny, tiny number. If it is known that it is a false report, by definition, no one is in prison for it.</p>

<p>Convictions for rape are extremely rare to begin with. Most usually, it is pled down.</p>

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<p>In domestic violence cases, it was very frequent that the victim with numerous bruises would recant her testimony and refuse to testify about the incident. The victim would then beg the court and prosecutor for help, even when it was explained that no one could order treatment if there was no cooperation from victim or the accused. It was painful to see and hear these cases.</p>

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<p>This is not a theoretical question or a request for a policy position. My niece is graduating from a public high school this May and will attend a 36,000 student state university in my area of Texas beginning in the Fall of 2013. I’ve been following this thread and reading every bit of stats, reports etc., I could find. I’d appreciate any concrete “do” or “don’t do” suggestions.</p>

<p>It seems that from a statistical basis, it is safer to live on campus than off and to have roommates rather than live in a single. Rape is more likely to occur off campus than on campus.</p>

<p>Rape while on a true date is statistically much less likely than rape by an “acquaintance” while not on a date. The perpetrator of acquaintance rape of females during their college years is a classmate in the vast majority of instances, followed by boyfriends, ex-boyfriends and then “others” in that order. Dating, in the sense of a planned event, is safer than hooking up? If uncomfortable with a boyfriend, ending the relationship is safer than letting it linger? </p>

<p>Alcohol/drug intoxication is present in the females in at least 80% of the rapes/attempted acquaintance rapes. Perhaps use a “buddy system” (in addition to a designated driver), so that a sober friend steps in to remove her friend who gets wasted?</p>

<p>“Partying” with athletic team members and fraternity members is or is perceived to have a higher risk of rape or attempted rape. Avoid, or use the buddy system?</p>

<p>The actual percentage of males who engage in acquaintance rape is about 6% and the false reports of rape are estimated at 2-8% of reported rapes. About 1/3 of the men rape a single time and the remaining 2/3 rape repeatedly. Spread the word on a creep and listen to what the grapevine is telling you about a guy? Report to campus and police authorities?</p>

<p>60% of females report that they offered some degree of physical resistance to both completed rapes and attempted rapes. Acts short of physical resistence in response to attempted rapes included, telling the person to stop, removing their hand from the body, screaming, running. Approximately 16% of rape/attempted rape of women during their college years by acquaintances result in outward manifestations of physical violence (bruises, black eyes, broken teeth, noses). What is the thought here? It seems that attempted rapes are “foiled” in a large number of instances due to fairly minimal resistance.</p>

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<p>That statistic is much higher than the one mini presented. I believe mini’s occupation is related to the study of alcohol abuse, so I’m wondering what the discrepancy is here. Is it the “acquaintance” part of the equation?</p>

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<p>I’ve seen studies suggesting both. But one of the issues is knowing whether the study is of reported rapes or all rapes, just college students, or all students in the age bracket, on-campus v. on-campus plus off-campus. The details matter. Most scholars seem to agree than 80-85% of rapes are among people who previously knew each other, but whether that should be considered “acquaintance rape” is subject to question. In addition, if a woman goes to an on-campus party, drinks - but not to excess - and ends up being raped by someone she previously has seen on campus (perhaps in a class) and who drank - but not to excess, wasn’t dating, but “went upstairs with”, is that “date rape”, “acquaintance rape”, “alcohol-related rape” or none of the above?"</p>

<p>And so many early rapes occur within one’s extended family? Should one avoid the family, or use the buddy system? Report to the police? To your parents? To no one?</p>

<p>“Report to campus and police authorities?”</p>

<p>This one I am very clear about. NEVER report to any campus authority - from RA to dean to “women’s center” until you have reported it to off-campus law enforcement. Chances are, if you do, you will be doubly violated, and you will lose all leverage.</p>

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<p>mini-this is a great question. As far as I know, their haven’t been any rapes prior to college. But, I can imagine that some girls wonder what will happen if they tell their parents.</p>

<p>Don’t most colleges have mental health professionals on staff that the student can access? Is working on the impact on the student the best step for the victim? Or, is the “help” part of the institutional cover-up?</p>

<p>I know that reporting “outs” the perp and, in that sense, is a positive to let others know who the perp is. But, is it the best for the particular victim?</p>

<p>Is it your suggestion to go to the police first because it inhibits the school from retribution and/or sweeping it under the rug?</p>

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<p>Alcohol/drug intoxication is present in the females in at least 80% of the rapes/attempted acquaintance rapes.</p>

<p>If most of the rapes are not reported, how is this known?

  • do you have a link?</p>
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<p>“mini-this is a great question. As far as I know, their haven’t been any rapes prior to college. But, I can imagine that some girls wonder what will happen if they tell their parents.”</p>

<p>10.1% of women report having been raped (and many, many more sexually assaulted) prior to college. Often within their own families.</p>

<p>"Don’t most colleges have mental health professionals on staff that the student can access? Is working on the impact on the student the best step for the victim? Or, is the “help” part of the institutional cover-up?</p>

<p>I know that reporting “outs” the perp and, in that sense, is a positive to let others know who the perp is. But, is it the best for the particular victim?"</p>

<p>There may or may not be useful help on campus. But even if there is, one is going to be less able to access it effectively unless an outside report has been made. Victims often find themselves doubly victimized if they haven’t first reported to an off-campus law enforcement authority. It will be more difficult to access services, the victim will be less likely to be believed, and the college has an interest in maintaining the tuition payments of its criminal element, and keeping things hushed up.</p>

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<p>emeraldkity4–here</p>

<p>[Facts</a> About Sexual Assault, Including Acquaintance Rape](<a href=“Alert Carolina – UNC at Chapel Hill”>Alert Carolina – UNC at Chapel Hill)</p>

<p>mini–given the desire of the institution to have this hushed up and the abysmal lack of success of criminal prosecution for acquaintance rape without physical manifestation of violent being used by the perp, isn’t the buddy system and any and every other precaution to avoid the high risk circumstances what should be suggested to my neice?</p>