Strategies for Standard Kelley Admissions

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<p>I am putting together a plan to maximize one’s chance of getting into Kelley based upon the following Kelley admission standard. I think that this standard is reasonably fair for everyone. </p>

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<p>You will need to take at least 4-5 core courses for you to be considered for standard admission into Kelley. If you do not bring any credits to IUB, you will encounter some unpredictable courses. This is the plan:</p>

<p>1) Summer Before School - Must take E201 (Pre-req for G202) and possibly M118 at Ivytech before you come to IUB. You can take the on-line classes if you can’t attend one nearby. Make sure that the course # may be different. You may even want to take a college writing at your local CC to satisfy the requirement for W131. For you HS seniors aiming for Kelley, you can do these starting this spring if you are not working on you AP courses. If you are taking AP courses, you should work hard on AP calc (substitute for M119), AP Econ (substitute for E201/E202), AP Eng lang (for W-131) to get a score of >=4.
2) 1st semester - take A100(Winston), C104, G202 and two other easy ones.
3) 2nd semester - take K201, A201(Head), and three other easy ones. You may be able to take a easier substitute (STAT-S 301 or MATH-K310 or STAT-K 310) for E370 instead of K201 or A201.</p>

<p>All these courses had an average GPA of 3.0 and are more predictable. As hkem indicated in another thread, you can work on the practice tests on A100 and A201 to do well. If you are concerned about K201, you may be able to take CSCI A110 in the 1st semester per bthomp1 or an EXCEL course at your hometown before coming to IUB. Register for orientation early so that you can get the best professors using grade distribution/ratemyprofessor. Then, you should have a good chance to get at least a B for each of these core courses if you work hard and start early.</p>

<p>I hope I have interpreted the standard correctly. Comments from all are welcome.</p>

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<p>Ace, these days, you have to take either K201 or X201 to apply to Kelley.</p>

<p>Also, the odds of getting into one of the 300-level math classes as a freshman in the Spring semester are pretty slim. Spring 2013 very few got in:</p>

<p>STAT-K 310 0/116
STAT-S 301 4/100
MATH-K310 3/205
ECON E370 8/495
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<p>Of course, a lot of first-year Bloomington students have achieved sophomore status credits and will be listed with the sophomores on the Course and Enrollment lists; but it still seems risky as, if you couldn’t get into one of those classes, you would have to find something else to take to qualify to apply to Kelley.</p>

<p>I would recommend this strategy:</p>

<p>CC classes summer prior to beginning at IUB or AP: Eng W131 and Econ E201</p>

<p>Fall: M119; C104; CSCI A110; plus one easy three-credit class</p>

<p>Spring: K201; BUS-A 100 AND BUS-G 202; plus two easy three-credit classes</p>

<p>Yes, M119 has a low “solid B and higher rate,” but I think this is largely a reflection of the horrible advice that kids take from their advisers that they take M211 just because they do well on the math orientation test. What if all those freshmen (there are hundreds[!!!] of them each Fall semester; 775 out of 962 students who took M211 in Fall 2012 were freshmen) who take M211 instead of M119 settled for taking M119. If they took M119, I think the solid B and higher rate would rise very significantly. For example, one poster here this semester had a high SAT math score and was told to take M211, which he did and got a B- in. It is likely, or close to it, that he would have got a solid B or higher in M119. </p>

<p>M119 is not all that difficult and not nearly as quirky as finite-- stay away from finite. To prepare for M119, take pre-calculus or AP calculus in high school and study calculus like crazy over the summer before starting at IU; download and do and re-do the sample departmental exams and use the other learning materials from this link <a href=“https://resources.oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/group/8f7ba376-1242-4e8a-0048-acbde2ffaad8/StudentResources/[/url]”>https://resources.oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/group/8f7ba376-1242-4e8a-0048-acbde2ffaad8/StudentResources/&lt;/a&gt; , and DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE M211 INSTEAD OF M119, no matter what your adviser tells you!!! If you test out of M119 on the AP, don’t report your score to IU. Take M119 — stay away from M211.</p>

<p>RE this strategy, </p>

<p>–It should be relatively easy, despite where you live in the country (you could find online versions from somewhere, I’m sure), to find local CC or university classes for W131 and Econ E201 that will transfer for credit to IU. </p>

<p>–The classes mentioned would give you a good start on finishing the Icore prerequisites in two years. </p>

<p>–Take Finite AFTER you get accepted to IU, preferably at a CC if you want to protect your IU GPA. CSCI A110 will help you get ready for K201 and is an easy solid B or higher for most people. </p>

<p>–You must have already taken E201 in order to take G202; so, take G202 in spring semester, in order to have plenty of time for your AP score or summer CC transcript for E201 equivalent to get to IU by November, when you will register for Spring classes. </p>

<p>–Take W131 anywhere but IUB and transfer your solid C or higher to IUB for Kelley/IUB credit. The sections are usually taught by graduate students, and less than half the students get a solid B or higher. There is no way to shop for easy-grading professors for W131, since their names are not advertised in the schedule. A lot of them teach it only one year or so and are gone after that anyway.
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<p>Forgot to mention that you must take both BUS-A 100 AND BUS-G 202 prior to applying to Kelley using this plan.</p>

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<p>bthomp1 and All,</p>

<p>Merry Christmas! I guess we do not have better things to do on Christmas. ;)</p>

<p>Agree with you on most except for the M119. Quite a few M119 sessions had CLS GPA’s around 2.1 and 2.2. The problem is that the instructors change a lot and sometimes the instructors are not listed. Thus, it will be difficult to be sure about the outcome. The A100-A201 route is not easy. But, DS2 (an average test taker) took them and got A, A-. Therefore, I think most students can do well if they do the practice problems. Math is inherently unpredictable. Some people just have a blackout facing math tests especially if it may determine the Kelley admission. I would be nervous if he had to take M119 at IUB. I would use the AP credit if you have it.</p>

<p>I do want to caution that the strategy is outlined for helping students to get into Kelley. However, Kelley is not easy and you will be challenged when you get to I-core and the upper level courses. Many firms will ask for your accounting GPA. Aside from the grades, you will have to take care your EC’s. Getting into Kelley is just the beginning. You will have to compete and work with your peers. In the meantime, take some interesting courses with the best professors and it may change your life.</p>

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<p>Hello
I have a question
Rn im a freshman at IU and i have some concerns applying to Kelley
This fall semester i did really well, took all non business related courses, but i ended up with 1 A 2 B’s and 1 C+ in biologyL104 and i have a W on M211 </p>

<p>Im trying to apply to kelley after spring semester
Im about to take 16.5 credits
These r the classes</p>

<p>ECON201
K201
M118
C104
T175
W131</p>

<p>Is that too much for spring semester?</p>

<p>SHOULD I DIVIDE THEM UP AND APPLY FOR SPRING 2015? </p>

<p>And will i be able to get into kelley if i do really well second semester and have the C+ and the W?</p>

<p>Im really worried right now and stressed out</p>

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<p>I am transferring to IU in the fall and will be applying to Kelley later in the 2014-15 school year. If I have taken microeconomics and B cal 1 at another school will my grades still be evaluated for Kelley admission considering they were not taken at IU?</p>

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<p>*Also does it hurt my chances if I take 12 hours instead of 15+ but have deep extracurricular involvement?</p>

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<p>If you get all solid B’s and higher, your ECs won’t matter; you will be guaranteed admission.</p>

<p>You should use the Transfer Credit website to see which of your credits will transfer to IUB and the specific course they transfer for. Especially see what class your business calculus class will count for at IUB.
<a href=“http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/”>http://cts.admissions.indiana.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Twelve credits is not too few to take. In fact, as admission rules for transfer students currently stand, if you take all of the classes listed below during the Fall semester and get a solid B or higher in each class, you will be guaranteed admission to Kelley (assuming you have more than 26 college credits total; also, I don’t know what would be the impact, or if there is any, of your previous grades at your other school). </p>

<p>12 credits
BUS-A 100
BUS-G 202
BUS K201
BUS C104
MATH M118 Finite or MATH M119 Calculus (if your business calculus class is not accepted for credit by IU, I would take M119; Math M211 would be very risky for getting a solid B)</p>

<p>Taking these 12 credits in Fall 2014 would enable you to apply to Kelley and receive word of admission before beginning your second semester, and thereby give you more options before taking more classes, if you don’t get accepted to Kelley.</p>

<p>Note, too, that the requirements for admission could change during the summer. Check the IUB bulletins website often this summer for a new Kelley bulletin; sometimes, however, bulletins are not even published until after requirements have changed and until after students have signed up for fall classes.
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<p>You should check if you can take Math M135 at Ivytech for M118 at IU. I believe that you can even take on-line course (limit two). As bthomp1 points out, don’t take M211 or above, you are risking your GPA against the science students.</p>

<p>Course equivalency info here:
<a href=“http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf”>http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Registration info here:
<a href=“Bloomington - Ivy Tech Community College”>http://www.ivytech.edu/bloomington/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>HS students, </p>

<p>Don’t fool around. Take some summer courses at any IU campus or Ivytech. Registration has started. You may need to take placement tests. But, you won’t regret.</p>

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<p>Ace, I think the OP will need to take M118 Finite at Bloomington if IUB accepts his business calculus class from his current school as credit for M119. </p>

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<p>bthomp1,</p>

<p>Wouldn’t he be able to take A201 the 2nd term at IUB? I believe that getting a “B” in BUS A201 is easier than in MATH M118 unless he can get into McKinley’s class. Still, most A201 sessions had 60% of the students getting B or above while most M118 sessions had <50% of the students getting B or above. Again, I am under the impression that Math is less predictable to most students while working hard is enough for A201. The drawback is that he can only apply by the end of the 2nd term at IUB.</p>