<p>Hi. I am an international student who wants to get into Kelley. Unfortunately I do not qualified for DA, so I have to apply as a regular admit. I have been reading on the forum and came across threads that offer strategies to get into Kelley. However, they require one to take summer classes at CCs, but I can’t (place issue and I don’t get out of the army till mid June-issue). So I am wondering if there’s anyone that can offer any strategy for a student like me? I know people have been saying to not take finite and w131 if possible, and i don’t plan to (at least not during my first year) if possible (unless all the alternative classes are full). So I am wondering if there’s a better way? I also want to minor in music (or double major if possible after I get admitted into Kelley), so I kind of want to take a few music classes. Unless I should solely focus on getting the classes to get into Kelley and forget about the classes for my freshmen year? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance</p>
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<p>So, it is more complicated especially you are in military service. If you have taken AP tests for Econ, English, and Calc AB and get score of 4 or above, you have done yourself a big favor. If not, you should call Ivytech about on-line courses (SUMMER 2) to satisfy W131, M118, and/or E201 this summer. They may be willing to accommodate your situation. In this case, the same strategy still applies. If not, you can take those on-line courses during the 1st semester or come to IU early to take them. Another issue could be the late orientation date which limits the course options for you. Others may know more about this. </p>
<p>Hi. Thanks for the reply. Oh I think I can waive the whole English language proficiency with my sat score and I went to an American international school for 12 years, plus I did take AP English, even though I got a 3, but I think that’s enough proof. So are you saying I can take those classes online while I am at the University? Wouldn’t Kelley question the applicants why they took those classes online when they are being offered at the university? And do I have to pay extra for those classes? </p>
<p>I did take all 3 AP tests. Got 3s on both English (never my best subject) and Calc AB (this one I blame myself for not studying hard enough), totally bombed the two econ tests (but that was because it was my last semester, and I was notified that I had to go into the military after I graduated highschool, so I was really not in the mood of taking the tests; but otherwise, I did pretty well on my class work and still remember most of the concepts). I know they won’t receive credits because they are not 4s, but at least I will be on a better footing since I know the materials?</p>
<p>Also, I found that W170 can be a substitute for w131, not saying w170 is easier, but it does sound more interesting than w131. M118 is the Calculus class right? so it’s pretty much like AP calc but a little bit more? And E201 is macro or micro? So is the difficulty level of those classes the same the AP classes I took back in high school? I mean, I know it’s suppose to be a little bit harder since it’s college, but are they really that hard? The posts on this forum saying how hard it is to get solid Bs for those classes are kind of freaking me out. Are they really that hard? Oh and, so are those classes what Kelley will look at heavily when I apply? Will they care about the other classes I take (like music theory or non-business related stuff?)</p>
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<p>It sounds like that you have decent background. M119 is calculus. M118 is finite math which is an unpredictable course at IU and so are E201 and W131. If you have not done so, please review the Kelley bulletin (below) and the posts on this forum discussing about M118, W131, and E201. </p>
<p><a href=“Indiana University Bloomington”>Indiana University Bloomington;
<p>Then, you should find out how many students can get a grade higher than B using the following grade distribution link:</p>
<p><a href=“http://gradedistribution.registrar.indiana.edu/”>http://gradedistribution.registrar.indiana.edu/</a></p>
<p>Kelley DA requires SAT > 1270(M+R). I had the feeling that those three courses may not even be easy for someone with SAT around 1350. Since the easy classes (with good teachers) have been filled up by the time you register, it adds more variables. If you are confident, you can take them at IU. If not, you can take advantage of the courses offered at Ivytech. Their info is in the following link. </p>
<p><a href=“Classes - Ivy Tech Community College”>http://www.ivytech.edu/academics/courses-curriculum.html</a></p>
<p>IU would not care if you are taking an on-line course during the regular semester at Ivytech. There is a limit of two on-line courses total to be transferred back to IU. You have to judge if it is worthwhile to pay the extra tuition. The cross reference of the courses from the two institutions is as follows:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf”>http://www.ivytech.edu/shared/shared_ncompwg/transfer/iu_transfers.pdf</a></p>
<p>Hi. Thanks for the links. I did some research about those classes mentioned, and it looks like the real problem is not because those classes are hard, it’s because of the teachers and the unfair grading. So I am assuming they are pretty much weed out classes? But the materials are pretty much the same with the AP classes right? By the way, wouldn’t E202 be easier than E201 since it’s macro and macro is easier than micro (in my opinion)?</p>
<p>You want to take microecon before starting at IUB because microeconomics is a prerequisite for taking G202. Taking G202 and A100 is one of the options from this part of the requirements Kelley regular admission requirements:</p>
<p>Choose two additional options from this list: BUS-A 201, BUS-A 202, ECON-E 201, ECON-E 202, MATH-M 118<em>, MATH-M 119</em>, ECON-E 370, OR BUS-A 100 and BUS-G 202*</p>
<p>G202 has a solid B or higher rate of about 75%. The solid B or higher rate for none of the the other classes from the above list is even remotely as high as the rate for G202. </p>
<h2>You can take microeconomics online at Ivy Tech in an eight weeks session that begins in March. There are still 22 seats left. Get a solid C or higher in it and it transfers to IUB as a passing grade, with the letter grade from Ivy Tech not recorded on your transcript.</h2>
<p>Principles of Microeconomics 2nd 8 Weeks - 43219 - ECON 202 - 84N</p>
<p>Associated Term: Spring 2014
Levels: Indiana College Network, Undergraduate</p>
<p>Bloomington Campus
Lecture Schedule Type
Online Only Instructional Method
3.000 Credits </p>
<p>Registration Availability / Capacity Actual / Remaining
Seats 30 8 22
Waitlist Seats 10 0 10</p>
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<p>ECON 202 at Ivy Tech is the same as E201 at IU. It is microeconomics.</p>
<p><a href=“Which classes to takes - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums”>Which classes to takes - Indiana University - Bloomington - College Confidential Forums;
<p>Hi. I know that the best way is to take those three classes at Ivy Tech before beginning at IU. However, being in the military really limits that option since I will only have time to do the work on weekends and having no access to internet (yes my military doesn’t allow internet access in camp, nor do they allow smartphones). And I can’t start those classes by mid-june, which is when I get out. And even then, I won’t be able to make with my passport issue (I don’t have a passport at this moment because of my status). So I guess my only chance is to either take those classes at IU or Ivy Tech online while I am at IU and pay extra tuition.</p>
<p>I mean wouldn’t taking M-119 (+w170 if i can get in) at the university and w131+e201 online during my first semester be my best bet?</p>
<p>You don’t need to take W170 if you take W131. Don’t take both.</p>
<p>Here is what I would take while at IUB, given your situation:</p>
<p>Fall Semester: 15 credits
– BUS K201
– BUS C104
– easy three credits elective
– easy three credits elective
– microeconomics online from Ivy Tech Bloomington; meets Aug 25, 2014 - Oct 18, 2014 (3 credits) Fall 2014 Principles of Microeconomics 1st 8 Weeks - 21901 - ECON 202 - 81N</p>
<p>Spring Semester: 12 credits
– M119 calculus
– BUS G202 (2 credits)
– BUS A100 (1 credit)
– easy three credits elective
– easy three credits elective</p>
<p>Your Ivy Tech microecon class will be over and the grade registered with the IUB registrar in time to sign up for G202 to take in Spring. Be sure to have the Ivy Tech grade sent to IUB as soon as possible after completing microecon at Ivy Tech. </p>
<p>Get a solid B or higher in all the IUB classes (except the microecon class at Ivy Tech; you need a solid C or above in that) and you will be guaranteed admission to Kelley. (This plan is for the admissions requirements as they currently stand; it is possible they will change, and also very possible that they won’t publish the changes before you sign up for Fall classes if they do change. However, it is very unlikely that K201 and C104 will be taken off the list of required classes, so take these to in the Fall and then make adjustments for Spring if changes take place and are announced during the Fall semester).</p>
<p>You can load up on community college classes the summer after freshman year to get back on pace to take Icore first semester of you junior year or earlier. You should be able to find transferable equivalents for most or all of these Icore prerequisites from a community college after your freshman year. Just get a solid C or higher.</p>
<p>Ivy Tech offers equivalents for:
L201 business law
M118 finite
W131 English Composition
E202 Macroecon
M119 calculus and E201 (but I would take these at IUB, if trying to get regular admission)</p>
<p>You can also get transferable credit for A201 and A202 from many community colleges and other colleges, but not from Ivy Tech.</p>
<p><a href=“http://admit.indiana.edu/apply/transfer/credits.shtml”>http://admit.indiana.edu/apply/transfer/credits.shtml</a></p>
<p>hi. Thanks for your reply. I will try to follow that plan as soon as I enroll in IU. However, I don’t see the schedule including an English class? plus, if i can get into w170 than i shouldn’t take w131 right? If i can’t, then I should take w131 online, so which semester would I put that class in?</p>
<p>This schedule does not include an English class until after you get into Kelley. I think you can reduce the risk of getting a grade of less than a solid B if you don’t take an English class. W131 is especially risky because probably nearly all the profs are grad students, many of which don’t have much teaching experience, unrealistic expectation, harsh and unfair grading, etc. I am recommending taking the bare minimum number of credits and minimum qualifying classes to get accepted to Kelley. W170 is alright to take after getting into Kelley, especially if you are interested in the topic of that section. I’m assuming that getting accepted into Kelley is your most important goal and recommending classes that pose the least risk to attaining that goal. Once you get accepted to Kelley, you only need a solid C or higher in your English composition class and all the other Icore prerequisites, too. Solid C is much easier to get than solid B.</p>