Student Loans -- Planning Ahead

<p>While it would be nice if everyone could go to med school using their own money or low-interest government-backed loans, as the BankRate website points out:</p>

<p>“Some people, especially graduate students (and particularly law and medical school students), have to come up with more coin than they get from their income, Stafford loans, rich uncles and other sources of money. … Since a private lender won’t be bailed out by the federal government if you bail on your payments, the lender will want to know your credit history. Private lenders will tailor your interest rate and fees to your credit score.”</p>

<p>I just wanted to remind those who haven’t yet started building up a solid credit history that the sooner you start, the better. On the advice of someone I spoke with at Visa International, I looked high and low for secured credit cards for my daughter that do NOT report to the credit bureaus as secured, and then I set her up with her first credit card the day of her 18th birthday. According to Visa International, it is preferable to get cards that are NOT flagged on your credit report as secured because, while some lenders won’t care, others will downgrade their subjective assessment of your creditworthiness if they see on your reports that your credit history comes from secured cards. </p>

<p>I found two financial institutions, one nationwide bank and one local credit union, that offer secured cards that report to the credit bureaus as normal cards and do not charge the exorbitant fees you will find on many secured cards. In addition, neither of them requires a co-signer or that the holder of the card demonstrate employment (strange as it may sound, some banks demand that secured cardholders have a job). </p>

<p>Anyone at all can get a bank secured card no matter where they live and whether or not they have a relationship with the military. This bank only charges $12 per year for having the card, and the minimum amount you need to deposit in a secured savings account is $200, giving you a $200 credit limit. </p>

<p>The credit union doesn’t charge any annual fees and gives you reward points redeemable for cash or merchandise. The minimum deposit is $500, thus giving you a $500 credit limit. While you need to be a credit union member for this credit union’s secured card, the membership rules are surprisingly liberal, so you may well be able to qualify using someone in your family.</p>

<p>marama–</p>

<p>Medical students are eligible to take out up to $47,500 in unsubsidized** federal direct loans each year during medical school. (That will pay for all or nearly all of the COA of most state med schools) These loans are deferrable during residency and are eligible for IBR and PSLF.</p>

<p>**All loans for grad and professional school are unsubsidized beginning in 2012. </p>

<p>Additionally, medical students are eligible to borrow up the full amount of their COA not otherwise covered by their Stafford/Federal direct loans thru Grad Plus loans. These loans are deferrable and eligible for IBR and PSLF.</p>

<p>Both Direct and Grad Plus loans are eligible for loan consolidation. Neither requires a co-signer and also are fully dischargeable upon the death of the borrower.</p>

<p>Lastly, many private medical schools offer loans to students thru the the schools’ own funds–often at rate substantially lower than the going rate for private loans. </p>

<p>Private loans are not eligible for deferrment, IBR, or PSLF --so why would any med student want to take them out?</p>

<p>AMCAS offers a large number of financial aid and debt management tools here:</p>

<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/services/first/first_factsheets/249340/applicantsandstudents.html[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/services/first/first_factsheets/249340/applicantsandstudents.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Thanks for these clarifications, WayOutWestMom. My advice as to how a young person can successfully begin building a credit history may still be useful for those who are interested.</p>

<p>I would note that BankRate is commercial for-profit site and may not be the most reliable source of information.</p>

<p>If a young adult wants to build their credit, there are many ways of doing so. In most cases a young adult seeking to establish a credit history would be better served by establishing a credit relationships with his/her own local bank or local branch of national bank where they already have an account. Many banks offer linked credit card with low credit limits, or student credit cards with low limits (typically $500-$1000) that allow a young adult to begin to build a credit record without much risk of going into substantial debt. The low limit credit cards with a local bank do not require a security deposit as do the banks originally named in your post.</p>

<p>Some cell phone and other utility companies will also tender credit (which is basically what a monthly payment plan is) to young adults without a credit history and are another good place to start.</p>

<p>Yes, I recognize that BankRate is a for-profit website, and the quote at the beginning of my posting came from their commercially-slanted website. That said, the rest of the information I have shared is from personal experience, a follow-up to recommendations I received from Visa International in response to my question about how best to begin building a credit history for my daughter. </p>

<p>As you so rightly point out, there is more than one way for young people to begin building a credit history. Hence, I recommend that those who would like to explore the options I have outlined do so, and those who have no interest, simply ignore my posting.</p>

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DS’s med school has this kind of loan. But the interests rate is comparable to that of of Direct loan. The only perk is that no interests will be charged while the student is in MS1-MS4 and possibly the first 2 (or 3?) years of residency.</p>

<p>I think DS has also had Perkin’s loan.I think its interests is lower. But the loan amount is not large.</p>

<p>I do not think DS’s unsubsidized federal direct loans is as large as $47,500; maybe only a half of that or less.</p>

<p>Takeaway point. A med student’s credit rating should be an important concern. I specifically remember one med school having a good credit rating as a requirement.</p>

<p>Like GPA, it’s easier to keep a good one than fix a bad one. Start strong. ;)</p>

<p>I might be wrong, but would not any MD have a good credit rating? They all (no exception that I am aware of) live much better than most other professionals, own better houses, drive better cars, have more kids and many spouses who do not work. How is that all possible with the very low credit rating? Seems to me that it is not logical. I even do not know my credit rating, but I do not care at all, I never did…</p>

<p>Miami. We are talking about students here and how to finance their education. </p>

<p>But to answer your question , no. Poor financial decisions result in poor credit ratings for MD’s, too. They are not immune to the consequences.</p>

<p>^So, re-financing is completely our of question, not available at all later. I did not realize that, I thought that any loan could be refinanced, sorry, my mistake!</p>

<p>You’ve lost me. Sorry. :confused:</p>

<p>^I thought it was just my pre-coffee brain lag ;).</p>

<p>BTW, D1 recently ran her first credit rating this month as she needed to send it to a potential landlord as part of proof of ability to pay rent (in a large city). She thanked her mom for getting her a CC ASAP so that she’d start building her credit, while most of her friends were using debit cards. A few months ago she applied for a CC on her own in order to get reward points, they accepted her but turned down her BF who is starting a relatively high paying job as he had no credit history.</p>

<p>I am also lost. I do not care much one way or another, maybe that is why I am lost. But I do not understand who would care about loan % if they do not have to repay it until later. or maybe they do? I thought that you do not have to repay it until some years later.
But anyway, if one is having credit card that is completely paid every month, rent is all paid on time, other things are all paid on time, then they are all set, correct? We pay our D’s bills all on time, so she should be OK, right?</p>

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<p>Yes, paying on time is the most important thing. </p>

<p>I just want my kid starting to build a good credit history as part of a solid financial footing and education. So along with paying everything on time, as much as possible I try to have it done in her name, even if I’m providing/helping with the funds.</p>

<p>You know I always assumed that one of my children who always was chronically late on paying her bills would have a lousy credit rating. Guess what? She has great credit/really high credit score. She’s eligible to take out loans at the best offered rate. Frankly I was really shocked when she went thru the loan qualification process last year.</p>

<p>And I did the same thing entomom did. Each of my children got a student credit card (not linked to my account) upon graduation from high school/turning 18. Both went to OOS colleges and you can’t buy a plane ticket without a credit card. (Well, you can…but it’s PITA.) The $500 limit was just barely enough to pay for a RT plane ticket between their OOS college & home. I always paid off the charge, but it made the kiddos each responsible for booking their flights for breaks. (Smart move on my part. Easier than trying to get a kid to answer the age-old question: when is your last exam? How soon do you think you can you get to the airport afterwards? Plus, honestly, learning to book plane tickets is a vital life skill.)</p>

<p>DS also got a student credit card (not linked to my account) upon graduation from high school. At that time, one large bank did not want to give him a credit card, but the other large bank was willing to give him one. (Since then, the latter bank has becomes our family’s main bank.)</p>

<p>Over the past several years, he flied relatively frequently (almost every break), and bought the plane tickets using his credit card.</p>

<p>He also rent an apartment for a year, paying utility bills (hopefully on time.)</p>

<p>I would imagine his credit score is not that bad.</p>

<p>But somejow recently he prefers to use his debit card instead.</p>

<p>I would like to share here what I believe to be good, reliable information based on my own research and experience. If anyone doesn’t agree with the information below, feel free to research on your own or to simply ignore it. Note that I do not work in the financial sector. I am simply an ordinary consumer and parent. I realize that mine is not the definitive approach; there are many ways to skin a cat. </p>

<p>There are companies that people make payments to on a regular basis, such as utility companies and property managers, that do NOT routinely report to the credit bureaus except in the case of VERY late or skipped payments. Therefore, since they do not report GOOD financial behavior, only slip-ups, by simply paying your monthly bills on time you aren’t necessarily building a credit history per se, at least not a credit history that is immediately apparently to anyone who checks your credit report, such as landlords or prospective employers.</p>

<p>So, what DOES get reported to the credit bureaus? Credit card accounts do. Department store charge cards do. Mortgages do. Loans, including car loans, do. This is not an exhaustive list, so if you have something to add, please do. </p>

<p>Not all of the above-named types of lenders or creditors report your balance and payments every month, however. Some will only report to the credit bureaus on a quarterly basis. I have been told by people in the financial industry that the more frequently your creditors report your payments and balances, the faster your credit builds. So when taking out a credit card or loan in order to build your credit, it’s worth double-checking that the company will report to the credit bureaus on a monthly basis. </p>

<p>While some companies only report to one or two of the credit bureaus – Experian, Equifax and TransUnion are the main ones – others report to all three. My understanding is that, given a choice, it’s somewhat better if your info is reported to all three credit bureaus so as to maximize your credit scores with all three. Otherwise, you will have a lower score with the credit bureau(s) that aren’t aware of the other credit lines you have open. I have found this to be true from looking at my own credit reports from each of the three major credit bureaus. I have three credit cards, two of which report to two credit bureaus, one of which only reports to one bureau. This could be a problem if no one at all is reporting to one of the credit bureaus. Ask the lenders/credit card companies who exactly they report to.</p>

<p>If you decide to get a credit card to build your credit history, it’s very important that the card report the actual credit limit on the card and not just the amount charged each month. I suggest you be insistent when asking the financial institution about this and about the other variables mentioned above (frequency of reporting, reporting as secured versus unsecured, etc.). Often, customer service reps will have no idea about these and other details, so speak with the supervisor or manager directly to make sure you’re getting accurate information. </p>

<p>Even after you’ve tried to do everything right to help establish a glowing credit history for yourself, how can you know for sure what is being reported and what isn’t? By requesting a free annual credit report from each of the three credit bureaus. A federal mandate requires the credit bureaus make these reports available to every adult in the United States and, while the credit bureaus are not obliged to provide your actual credit score, by paying a small fee you can have the score added to your free report. BE VERY CAREFUL to use the one government-approved webpage to request your free annual credit reports. There are a lot of similar-sounding webpages that will try to get you to sign up for paid reports. When you get your free annual credit reports, I recommend you sit down and comb through them for inaccuracies and, frightening as this may sound, identity theft. Learn about the meaning of “hard hits” and “soft hits” to your credit report. Ensure that the cards you have taken out are, in fact, reporting your full credit limit and not just the amount you have charged that month. Any financial information on your credit report that you don’t recognize or don’t agree with should be reported to the credit bureau, which will do an investigation and correct the irregularity. </p>

<p>Another source of credit information that won’t cost you anything is available through websites that provide “FAKO” scores, which are calculations that simulate what your real credit scores are. (The name of your real score from the credit bureau Experian is “FICO” score.) The websites providing FAKO scores are run by companies that will try to get you to take our more and more credit cards. Ignore their hype. I was advised that three credit cards plus a loan such as a car loan or a longer-term financed purchase from a store are enough to build a pretty strong credit history and, in my case, that proved to be true. By the way, it really isn’t a good idea to be “fishing” for credit, so don’t ask too many financial institutions for credit simultaneously because it can negatively affect your credit score. Space out your new accounts. Take out your first credit card and then wait a few months before applying for a second one.</p>

<p>After living outside the U.S. for 19 years, I came back to this country and had to build a credit history for myself from the ground up. Shortly after my arrival back in this country, I (na</p>

<p>Yes, D. has her own credit card, I do not know how one can live without, especially that they travel, stay in hotels…etc., many thing that reguire a credit card.<br>
I still think that more credit is open to MDs than most of others. So, we focus mostly on getting her into this position, then the financial side of it.</p>

<p>The credit bureaus don’t know or care what you do for a living. They also don’t know how much you make unless you self-report your income to a creditor/lender who, in turn, reports it to one or more of the credit bureaus. My employment information, for example, does not show up on my credit reports. </p>

<p>Are there advantages to being a doctor? I think most of us would agree there are. Do those advantages include having a different or better credit status? No.</p>

<p>^Apparently, with the current events, we do not know what is known about us to the rest of the world. The fact that you think that they do not know some information does not mean that they actually do not know, not at all…coming from the IT proffessional</p>