<p>*But I don’t think any of that made him more likley to actually murder someone…</p>
<p>Of course it did. Unless the cycle is stopped, violence escalates. This young man was taught that his actions do not have the same consequences as other peoples. He’s special and his parents were willing to overlook several things we know of to keep him in his sport and his college.*</p>
<p>Exactly. And, the “overlooking” likely began well before high school.</p>
<p>^^^How do you know his parents overlooked things before high school? That is pure speculation!</p>
<p>Yeah, he could have been grounded for the rest of HS for all we know. I guess you mean they came to his defense and didn’t want the natural consequences to apply.</p>
<p>I really find that hard to believe. Cheating maybe … but murder? I really think it’s all about behaviour in times of extreme stress.</p>
<p>multicultural, your posts concern me. You have stated a few times that if you were pushed and stressed, any behavior is possible, even violent behavior. Sorry, but I am sometimes very pushed and stressed and I do not feel I am capable of violence. You sound as if you feel you are capable of violence if pushed to the edge. If you feel that way, you may wish to seek counseling as that is not a normal response.</p>
<p>*I really think in cases like this, the violence is inborn. *</p>
<p>Dr. Keith Ablow, Psychiatrist, Johns Hopkins Medical School </p>
<p>Question: Was [Scott Peterson] born a sociopath, or made one by his past?</p>
<p>Answer: I’ve found no one to be born a sociopath. In every case I’ve looked at, the story is—once revealed—very, very compelling.</p>
<p>From Time Magazine…</p>
<p>We’re going to likely learn (unless this doesn’t go to trial) that there are similarities between Scott Peterson and George Huguely.</p>
<p>Update: </p>
<p>[Red</a> stained T-shirt seized from George Huguely’s apartment | Charlottesville Daily Progress](<a href=“http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/t-shirts_stained_with_red_seized_from_uva_george_huguelys_apartment/55794/]Red”>http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/crime/article/t-shirts_stained_with_red_seized_from_uva_george_huguelys_apartment/55794/)</p>
<p>Another update–with a warning note for family. While he’s not named, I assume the family member is Granville Swope, Ms. Love’s uncle and a former all-American lacrosse player at UVa. (Her father is deceased. She has no brothers and press reports said Swope had traveled to UVa. I may be wrong, but he seems like the most probable source.)</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050503762.html[/url]”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/05/AR2010050503762.html</a></p>
<p>So, if a daughter --or son for that matter–says an ex is “aggressive” we have to follow up on that.</p>
<p>Well I think I am capable of considering lots of behaviour you normally wouldn’t consider or think about. I don’t think I’m capable of actually carrying out those acts. </p>
<p>I think I am quite capable of thoughts of suicide under situations of stress. There were several times this semester where I thought of it as an option, only to throw it away. And thoughts of violence – just the feeling that you have to do something, something, that is not nothing – punching a wall, crashing a car. I get quite horrified when it deviates from self-hurt to thoughts of hurting other people. But it does happen. Especially since normally I’m a life-loving, people-loving person.</p>
<p>Once, I was in such despair over a relationship (I had the HUGEST FIGHT EVER 10 minutes before lab) the bottle of formaldehyde sitting on the table as I was doing my quiz looked very attractive. Oh, when I was pouring out the Fe(III) ammonium chloride I was imagining what it would taste like in my mouth, mainly because trying to do labwork while your eyes are blood-red and when no one says a word about why you are crying – is such a horrible state to be in. But I don’t think I was in very great danger of actually going through with it. </p>
<p>Luckily it is easy for me to resist. Especially when you have people to talk to or songs to sing off the steps of Clemons patio or miles to run. But I could imagine there are people who find it harder to resist. Thinking and doing, I think, are somewhat apart. But thinking is a necessary prerequisite of doing.</p>
<p>multicultural, you may want to talk with a professional counselor about your thoughts. Maybe he/she can help you to sort out your thoughts.</p>
<p>I really don’t think it’s normal to think about ingesting ammonium chloride or crashing a car. I don’t think it’s normal to have thoughts of suicide at times of stress. I don’t think it’s normal to have thoughts about inflicting pain onto oneself or to others.</p>
<p>Wow, sad to see she had already told people he was aggressive. If that is not a code/plea for help to a friend or family member, I don’t know what else would be.</p>
<p>Ummm, friends help. (Besides I’m probably NOT as rich as Huguely’s family.) </p>
<p>btw, I don’t think I’m capable of doing anything like what Huguely did. I do however empathise with being in states of extreme stress. The mindset of such a person, I believe is, “I have to do something, anything, drastic, to get away from the situation that is this.” </p>
<p>So you get people who struggle to think about the far-reaching consequences of what they do. Drinking poison is bound to change things. Probably in a horrible way, but that doesn’t occur to you, but it’s a change, you get attention directed at you, and that’s all that matters.</p>
<p>So if I were to murder somebody (which I consider extremely unlikely), that’s how it would go down. It would have little to do with upbringing, or how many times I previously got away with something, or whether I went to a rich prep school where everyone cheated or a ghetto high school where guns and bling were everywhere.</p>
<p>jonri, thatnks for that link. That is precisely what I have been wondering about. I wonder if she told others of any aggression or harassment from Huguely. Some women keep it to themselves or play it down. Also, others she could have told may also be close to him and dismiss it as not of great concern (that he wasn’t capable of any real harm). More should come out and so it is hard to comment without knowing more.</p>
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<p>Some of my friends joke on facebook about suicide when they are cramming for a difficult exam the next day. “See you in heaven tomorrow!” and status messages like that. I don’t think they are serious. I really think it’s sort of sardonic. (These friends tend to be the cheerful, upbeat ones you see in class, and they are quite well-liked, etc.) </p>
<p>Death is like … the most extreme option in our book. I guess as young people we flirt with thoughts of it … I mean, sometimes you search really hard for options (drink caffeine, go out for run, blast music, take something “harder” like a nootropic) to your problem, and when you brainstorm, naturally you get both good solutions and ones you should throw away. Isn’t it natural to think about death at least once, even if it’s just for a few seconds? </p>
<p>I think when you are stressed you consider everything, which by definition includes really bad options. A healthy person doesn’t linger on them for too long… an unhealthy person does.</p>
<p>nitpick: Fe(III) chloride is buffered with ammonia to reduce its Lewis acidity while keeping the Fe(III) ion in solution… quite different from NH4Cl. </p>
<p>multicultural…I do not think that even flirting with ideas of suicide or other extreme behaviors are normal. I think these are symptomatic of mental health issues. I am not saying that someone like you would carry out these behaviors but even thinking about them is not healthy and not typical of healthy people who are stressed out.</p>
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<p>I agree, Susan. There are a few people in this thread who are at risk for broken bones as a result of all the leaping to conclusions.</p>
<p>Or maybe we are looking at it backwards - maybe he found lacrosse to be a good outlet for his rage so he continued to play, became quite good, all-american etc. Positive reinforcement at work. All kinds of accolades, admiration, girls (the reward) come from the behavior (being good at lacrosse - to have incredible eye/hand coordination, speed, agility but also requires aggression and a “take no prisoners” attitude) so as the brain processes this, there is no motivation to extinguish those qualities/traits/behaviors that get you the good stuff.</p>
<p>I believe that there is evidence out there that shows that professional athletes and college athletes are more likely to engage in violence against women.</p>
<p>Google this to see the abstract:
Braddock, Jomills., Sokol-Katz, Jan. and Carbone-Lopez, Kristin. “Violence Against Women: Whats Sport Got to Do With It?” Paper presented at the annual meeting of the AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CRIMINOLOGY, Atlanta Marriott Marquis, Atlanta, Georgia, Nov 14, 2007 </p>
<p>(Sorry, I am having trouble posting links that work today)</p>
<p>Also, look at this:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Flood%20Dyson,%20Sport%20and%20violence%20against%20women%2007.pdf[/url]”>http://www.xyonline.net/sites/default/files/Flood%20Dyson,%20Sport%20and%20violence%20against%20women%2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>Yesterday, I was filled with sorrow, but, today, I am so angry. Another woman, another brutal death. When will it end? And I am furious at the UVA athletics director Littlepage for allowing the men’s team to play. Let me get this straight: This girl has been dead a little over 48 hours, her head smashed in by member of the men’s LAX team and Littlepage proposes to let the healing begin by allowing the men to participate in a NCAA championship tournament!!!</p>
<p>That sickens me. He should be calling for a close investigation into the locker-room culture of that team. Why was Huguely allowed to play after the 2008 incident? Are the LAX men involved routinely in hard partying and why is that permitted? Do the coaches tolerate profanity against women in the locker room, at practices, and at games?</p>
<p>A young women is dead. Some things are more important than an NCAA championship.</p>
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For the second time, I want you to go to [CAPS</a> at Elson Student Health Center](<a href=“http://www.virginia.edu/studenthealth/caps.html]CAPS”>http://www.virginia.edu/studenthealth/caps.html). It’s free. This is not normal. This is not natural. Please go to Elson.</p>
<p>I can’t tell you how unsettling it is to read that you have had these thoughts.</p>
<p>It’s hard to explain how the lacrosse culture seems to differ from other sports, NASCAR, etc. Part of it is that the best players, and these are the best players in the country, get lacrosse sticks as baby rattlers. I know that happens with other sports but it just seems even more intense with lacrosse. It you look at the rosters at the top schools, you’ll see the same schools over and over again. These kids have been playing with each other and against each other since they could carry a stick. They are a tight knit, close family who have known each other and partied together - parents and kids - for a dozen years by the time a kid is a senior in college.</p>
<p>Another update:</p>
<p>[UVa</a> didn't know about Huguely's ང arrest | Charlottesville Daily Progress](<a href=“http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/uva_didnt_know_about_huguelys_08_arrest/55807/]UVa”>http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/uva_didnt_know_about_huguelys_08_arrest/55807/)</p>
<p>UVa is claiming it had no knowledge of Huguely’s arrest while he visited Washington & Lee. However, rather cryptically, the paper is saying that it’s not clear if the coaches knew.</p>