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<p>no, that is not an insult. Perfect is very high standards… she didn’t meet them. Sorry. If it makes you feel better, I don’t meet the standards for “perfect” either, and most likely neither do you. Perfect does not mean “good kid.” There are plenty of good kids (and people) who are not perfect. Step back and take your emotions out of the equation.</p>
<p>Soccer guy, </p>
<p>YOU put your values in the equation. By choosing to define her as not perfect. </p>
<p>I hope the blame the victim mentality is not representative of W & M, Americorp, or whatever grad school you are in.</p>
<p>kayf - do you think she is perfect?</p>
<p>“perfect” has a dictionary definition. There are no opinions or values involved.</p>
<p>I do not blame victims. That said, in a lot of situations, there are CHOICES that people involved in a situation make, that ultimately ended up hurting them.</p>
<p>I believe in making whatever choices you want to make, and owning the result. A completely unrelated example: there is a big difference between being killed by a drunk driver while you are sober and being killed because you were a drunk driver.</p>
<p>How is the fact that, like everyone on the planet, the victim was not “perfect” relevant at all to the subject at hand?</p>
<p>soccerguy, the hole is deep enough. You need to stop digging.</p>
<p>Nobody stops digging when the hole is big enough! Not on these threads, anyway!</p>
<p>Currently watching the trial. So. Many. Reporters. Court is taking a break and I can’t believe two reporters are discussing their education right now. (“I went to public school.” [a dig at the private school culture]) </p>
<p>One reporter, who professes his Christian faith, goes to another: “too much alcohol…too much sex.”
“Did you know they [the athletes] went to Boylan three times a week?”
“How could they stay in top physical condition?”</p>
<p>A lot of procedural questions. “Did you personally witness the unfolding of the comforter on the bed?” 15 minutes to discuss exhibits of P124-P132 which are basically just documentation of skin abrasion on Huguely’s forearms and thighs. (Presumably to corroborate with the finding that the door to Yeardley’s room had been punched in.) </p>
<p>A lot of the examination questions concern qualifications. How long have you been on the force? Are you trained in the handling of evidence? (Since when?) Why was there so little fingerprint evidence to entrances and doors for an incident of such magnitude? As though fingerprint absence should vindicate Huguely. Or the toilet seat and flush handles? (Presumably handled in many alcohol incidents. Too many fingerprints make any individual ones hard to identify, though you would have presumed this to be common knowledge.)</p>
<p>I find lacrosse to be a prissy sport. All this “slap, slap, slap” of broomsticks against each other. Slap! Not nice. Slap on you! Oooo, not nice. Slap, slap back! And, why are the goalies generally massively obese? Are they all rejects from the bowling team?</p>
<p>placido, have you ever even seen a lacrosse game? I have never seen an obese goalie. They tend to be muscular and lean. They have to be incredibly quick.</p>
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<p>I am not the one that introduced the term “perfect” to this thread. Perhaps if you are curious you can go back and reread.</p>
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<p>there is no hole. only facts.</p>
<p>Just an aside…the current students at UVA have been inundated with media trucks, reporters, constant discussion, etc. this past week. Our D is a second year at UVA and is an athlete. She called and has been quite shaken by the whole thing. Between the talks to the athletes, benefits dedicated to victims of domestic abuse, perpetual conversation among students, and the presence of the press, the in-your-face, hard to escape exposure has evoked fear in some of the students – particularly the younger females. I agree this trial needs attention in order to raise awareness and perhaps prevent future acts of violence against female coeds; however, I also think people need to be a bit more sensitive to those young students currently attending.</p>
<p>It must be awful for your D and other students, jc40. But I don’t think that sensitivity is in the media repertoire. I noticed in one of the early articles about Whitney Houston’s death a sentence to the effect that a woman answering the phone at Whitney’s mother’s house had no comment. Calling the family of the newly deceased for a comment qualifies one for the lowest circle of hell, IMO.</p>
<p>I am sorry to hear that for your d, jc40. A friend I work with has a son there and she was saying the same thing at lunch a couple of days ago. On several occasions this past week, her son has purposely changed his walking path on campus so as to avoid the media people trying to get interviews. 
I hope the trial ends quickly and justice is served.</p>
<p>placido,</p>
<p>My older son plays goalie on his college team. He is 5’ 9" and 160 lbs. Is that obese?
The nice thing about lacrosse, in fact, is that any size person can play it. Very different from football, where large size is generally the norm. Lacrosse players have to be very agile and fast. Goalies are pretty acrobatic, especially at the college level.</p>
<p>You are aware that they wear pads under their jerseys, right? If a ball is coming at you at over 100 miles per hour, the pad covering your chest and abs has to be thick and strong. My son’s chest protector also has a large, rigid disc covering the heart. Goalie gloves are also bigger than those worn by the other players. My son isn’t fat by any stretch of the imagination, but does he wear the required protection? You bet.</p>
<p>I’m relatively new to LAX, but the best goalie I’ve seen in the matches I’ve attended so far was no shrinking violet. Chubby, he was built like a fire hydrant but clearly had a rotund belly. He could easily have been the fullback for his school’s football team. And his play that day was nothing short of stupendous. I don’t think we scored at all. I was so impressed that I went over and spoke to his Dad as the teams left the field.</p>
<p>At the other extreme, our goalie, who stopped a fair share of point blank shots througout the season and typically made great plays, was a 5’4’’ dynamo who probably weighed 140lbs. with lead in his pants.</p>
<p>In metro DC the HS lacrosse season is in the spring. Many fall football players are playing spring lacrosse. There is nothing prissy about it. They lift all year and are hitting like they did in football while running and moving the ball. D1 lacrosse players are tall, strong, fast and agile.</p>
<p>Defining tall as over 6’2", most Ivy DI LAXers seem to be almost tall-- of 5’8" to 6’ . compared to other DI athletes, they are average in height.</p>
<p>Not a lot of average guys on the Virginia LAX team.</p>
<p>[Men's</a> Lacrosse - Roster - University of Virginia Cavaliers Official Athletic Site - VirginiaSports.com](<a href=“http://www.virginiasports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&SPID=10601&SPSID=88762]Men’s”>http://www.virginiasports.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&SPID=10601&SPSID=88762)</p>
<p>And the roster doesn’t show a lot of “obese” either :)</p>
<p>so, this girl was, it was shown today, by the testimony of those who did the autopsy, killed by blunt force trauma, most likely by her boyfriend.</p>
<p>In other news, LaCross players are not obese??? Good to know.</p>