<p>Someone knows how to use Google and the cut/paste function. (Impressive!)</p>
<p>“Stick to your knitting” is not used often in America at all (maybe Canada, as a poster has already linked to). And bringing up the Australian counterpart to “panties in a bunch”? I haven’t heard that one before. </p>
<p>Are you not a native American English speaker, by the way? You seem to have some trouble with understanding context and why your words can be understood in ways you insist they are not.</p>
<p>Or, you know, maybe you’re just bored and need a little ■■■■■■■■ to get attention.</p>
<p>Uh, no. Is this a failed experiment I’m sensing? Comparing drunk kids looking for some low level violence to people who object to implied sexism-- because that’s the analogy implied, correct? barrons is the tOSU troublemaker in the jersey and the overly sheltered women are the drunk PSU frat group leaping at the bait-- is quite low, as well as… well, just not a very intelligent or clever comparison. Sexism does not actually equal sports rivalries.</p>
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<p>Have women been bad to you, barrons? You seem very bitter.</p>
<p>Good. He just seemed like the biggest jerk from among a bunch of jerks, though the one with the loudest mouth was right up there. Any defense claiming he was from Pitt (not Penn State) doesn’t fly with me, because there were PLENTY of others throwing beer and threatening the OSU kids, who luckily were smart enough to keep walking. If they’d replied or tried to defend themselves there’s an extremely good chance they would have gotten the crap beaten out of them, or worse…</p>
<p>Marge Marge, what country are your from? I have been working in the investment business for 30 years in major US cities and both phrases are common business usage. Maybe you are the one who needs to brush up on their standard American usage. </p>
<p>I only get upset with women or anyone else when they take a concrete set of facts, attempt to put it into a totally irrelevant context, and then draw conclusions that have absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.</p>
<p>I also am not fond of the Kumbaya set of either sex. In this case it seems mostly the females on the board had a problem with how males like to act at times and show a complete lack of understanding of what was going on in this incident. If it were males I would have said exactly the same thing.</p>
<p>Disorderly conduct–that’s right there with rape and murder, No? He’ll get deferred prosecution assuming he has no record and maybe have to write an apology. Woo Hoo.</p>
<p>I’m not bitter, I’m from NJ where we don’t suffer BS easily. Do you have a problem with men who talk back?</p>
<p>Sorry, but as one of the females here, I had a complete understanding of what was going on. I just thought it was pretty poor and inappropriate. Seems like those in charge felt the same and charged them with disorderly conduct. Enough people at the university were displeased and those folks include males. Not all males act this way…even ones who are football fanatics.</p>
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<p>Rape and murder? Huh? I see no correlation with rape and murder. It was what it was and that’s all I, and many others were commenting on…no more, no less. You seemed to think that no big deal, nobody was hurt. Some of us think this kind of behavior implies a certain kind of mentality that knows no bounds and takes a certain kind of person to act in such a manner. The excuse of “boys will be boys” doesn’t cut it. Not all young men who are sports fanatics would act in this way. Some might…those are who are being discussed and for whom some at the college are embarassed. If it was just “the usual”, there’d be no outcry from within the PSU people. There was…for good reason. Not a pretty sight.</p>
<p>Wow. I guess an apology is in order, barrons. Please excuse me. Based on your previous comments, I had basically assumed you were an insecure, snot-nosed college kid, you know, the kind who goes on about “Man Rules” and how throwing beer and baiting rival fans is “FUN.” </p>
<p>I’m not even thirty years old yet, let a lone a professional who has been working for thirty years in “major US cities”, so I guess that’s why your usage of “stick to your knitting” sounds so paticularily odd and arcanely sexist to myself.</p>
<p>And the phrase “panties in a bunch” is commonly used among investment bankers doing business, what a rowdy bunch! The things you learn, huh?</p>
<p>hey, i worked in investment banking for a quite a while and the “f” word was used regularly in meetings (nice bunch of folks huh?). So I should use it here too? Maybe it’ll work and I’ll get some virtual beer cans thrown at me…
I know, I know,there’s an attempt to compare this stuff to wearing an OSU jersey at a frat…bad idea…and not funny.</p>
<p>there seems to be somewhat of a divide of opinion here between men and women posters. While I doubt that many condone the behavior, many of the men seem to find it somewhat less disgusting, perhaps because we have been there in our early days.</p>
<p>For those who feel that the OSU students should not have encroached on PSU territory, one report indicated that they had been to a party at the PIKE house the evening before. And if this is correct, I doubt that they were at all traumatized by the beer “attack” and in fact may have found it all in good “fun”.</p>
<p>This argument has gotten ridiculous. How did it go from bad behavior from some drunk college guys to debating the usage of “panties in a twist” by the sexes and professions?</p>
<p>Don’t you sometimes feel silly after posting some angry retort?</p>
<p>And, I’m a mom and I’ve used the “don’t get your panties in a twist” line to my sons (and they have never worn panties unless you count the ninja turtle ones from their youth). I also ask them when they are acting a little stinky if “they’ve got goats in their garden”. Is that sexist too?</p>
<p>ag - so you don’t think Barrons knew he’d get some frothy reaction here? Come on. He put out the bait - carefully selecting expressions that he knew could be misinterpreted - knowing full well that cans would come flying. Like he says, he LOVES walking through enemy territory at big games. And I agree - this is totally ridiculous in terms of adding any value to this discussion. ■■■■■■■■… at its best (or worst?)</p>
<p>“This argument has gotten ridiculous” I couldn’t agree more. I also have to admit I found some truth in Barrons responses and laughed at his "knitting "and “panties lines”. </p>
<p>2 or three drunk idiots acting badly for attention.They got in trouble and will pay for their bad behavior. Nice to see they got in trouble as this sort of behavior usually goes unchecked.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that this thread has 151 posts and that the "hate crimes at Columbia thread " garnered 4 (unless there is another thread on that somewhere.)</p>
<p>I wasn’t one of those that accused Barrons of being sexist…but I can understand how some women might take it that way - these are old fashioned expressions -not understood by all (see my previous posted article). Don’t think those folks knew it was bait at the time…
And he knew what he was doing… OK - not a big deal really…but not very nice. As I said, ■■■■■ like.</p>
<p>Yep, not very nice, I often wonder if people would say things that they write on message boards to someone’s face. That would be a big NO!</p>
<p>Back to incivility at sporting events - I was at the Rice/UTexas game and the MOB came out and started their half time show; of course it was funny at first, but then it got pretty biting and mean. Well, the UT faithful started booing and carrying on. </p>
<p>I imagine it would be kind of scary walking back to the bus in the MOB gear amongst the throng of burnt orange and white. They must get that a lot, cuz that’s their schtick. </p>
<p>Sounds like Stanford’s band is the same. </p>
<p>Do band fans find this behavior unacceptable and unsportsmanlike?</p>
They have from time to time chosen to open the wound themselves and then pour the salt in, haven’t they? Like with all edgy humor/product, there are always some offended but should that be the test? If the canary is going to choke if they goosestep out, does that mean the MOB shouldn’t do it?</p>
<p>Friends daughter is in scatter band at Penn. Very little preparation, run onto the field, play, and then play in the stands. Requires very little time on the part of the band students. Compare to a big ten band that changes its program weekly and has about a 30 hr. per week committment during football season. Very, very organized; very,very strict rules.</p>
<p>I have never seen this behavior but it would really bother me if I did as I would believe it was “sanctioned” by the University.</p>
<p>This is a bit off the band topic…but while we’re talking about bad behavior and being tricked, how about this one? My first reaction was to laugh…but it IS pretty nasty. </p>
<p>A high school student who tricked football fans from a crosstown rival into holding up signs that together spelled out, “We S__k,” has been suspended for the prank, students said.</p>
<p>Kyle Garchar, a senior at Hilliard Davidson High School in suburban Columbus, said he spent about 20 hours over three days plotting the trick, which was captured on video and posted on the video-sharing website YouTube.</p>
<p>He was inspired by a similar prank pulled by Yale students in 2004, when Harvard fans were duped into holding up cards with the same message.</p>
<p>At the end of the video, Garchar wryly thanks the 800 Hilliard Darby High School supporters who raised the cards at the start of the third quarter during last Friday’s football game.</p>
<p>“It couldn’t have been done without you,” reads the closing frame of the video.</p>
<p>Garchar, 17, created a grid to plan how the message would be spelled out once fans in three sections held up either a black or white piece of construction paper.</p>
<p>Directions left on stadium seats instructed fans to check that the number listed on their papers matched their seat numbers.Darby supporters were told the message would read “Go Darby.”</p>
<p>When I was watching the MOB (old Southwest Conference days) they were well-prepped and really, really irreverent. Funny stuff but I bet they were chased to the bus more than once.</p>
<p>Edit: Oh, and I think the stadium card trick is hilarious, too.</p>
<p>And if we talk about Uni sanctioned - you don’t think the Cameron Crazies or the fans at the Pomona vs. CMC/Scripps/Mudd game could be controlled if the uni wanted , too? Folks can stomp the fun and chew the flavor out of everything if that’s their goal. (I’ve seen it happen to message boards, too when the easily offended have their way. Not a pretty sight. )</p>