Students Taking College Football Too Far

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<p>"How swell, and what wonderful sons you must be raising to teach them that its okay to harrass women and assault men "</p>

<p>cgm, you seem to have alot more issues than I can solve. </p>

<p>“If you “accept” the worst,that is what you will get”</p>

<p>are you confusing “expect” and “accept”? I think if we check the dictionary we’ll find a bit of a difference…</p>

<p>Please, please, in your momments of outrage…get it right… </p>

<p>Definition of expect (verb)
forms: expected; expected; expecting
to assume; to anticipate; to hope</p>

<p>Definition of accept (verb)
forms: accepted; accepted; accepting
to receive; to agree; to consent</p>

<p>See definitions… do you “see” a difference? I do.</p>

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<p>'Tis true. But, the world is not full of angels, and we’re not going to make more angels by discussing this on a college message board.</p>

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<p>Opie, there is a thread running through this thread of “this is what all kids do” or “this is what we did when we were young, and so did everyone else.” It’s not projecting to point that out.</p>

<p>And yes, Soozie, Barrons is certainly being deliberately ■■■■■-like with those remarks, for whatever reason. We don’t always agree, but he usually doesn’t play ■■■■■.</p>

<p>Just should “man up” and admit that’s what he’s doing. ;)</p>

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<p>haha! I’ll have to remember that one.</p>

<p>When I was in London, there was a HUGE brawl outside of a pub in a very affluent part of the city (not your typical hooligan hangout). People were stabbed and beaten up. It was over a soccer game. </p>

<p>This is not just a frat thing, nor is it just an American problem. I think it may stem more from ingestion of alcohol.</p>

<p>I agree that it is best just to be cautious and keep your mouth shut when around opposing fans. That doesn’t mean that I accept bad behavior, it means that I would rather stay away from trouble before it occurs.</p>

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<p>Opie…I agree that you and others are not saying you ACCEPT or condone such behaviors. You and a few others have made that clear. </p>

<p>I do read some saying they would expect it and well, as common as it may be, I would not come to expect it of sports fans, college kids, or frat members. I may be cognizant that such behaviors happen, but I would not expect it and not all avid fans behave in such a way. That is why it is a topic in their papers, community, and so forth. Frankly, I don’t EXPECT that a visitor from the other college on game day wearing as shirt from the opposing team will be subject to this sort of attack. It is disconcerting to see peers treat other peers in this way. It truly is. That’s all.</p>

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<p>Garland, I observe what you do…that some are saying “this is what male college sports fans do” or “we did it too back in the day”, etc. I don’t think this is generally so. I think those with a certain mentality act in such a fashion. Not a proud moment for those kids in the video, or those who cheered them on. I don’t believe they were indicative of all male college sports fans.</p>

<p>One poster went so far as to say that as long as the victim wasn’t hurt, it was no big deal!</p>

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<p>“In fact, assaults are against the law”</p>

<p>While sooz with all respect (no knitting needles poked at you at all) you respect the law because the law matters to you. The law means something to you… </p>

<p>However, what if you don’t care about the law? </p>

<p>In a former career I dealt with people who broke the law, cause it didn’t matter to them. With some they broke the law to return to prison. Prison gave them something the outside world didn’t. You have to have something to lose to value the law… </p>

<p>In my hs years I ran with some kids who could care less about the law…their reason? mommy and daddy could bail them out of anything and often did. The rich kids for me were the best place to get a ride, booze and drugs as they always had ample supplies. </p>

<p>Several of them got out of serious scrapes with the “law” because of who they were…they had no respect for the law because the law had not yet any meaning to them…in some cases later in life it did… mumsy and dadsy can only cover for so many little crimes…</p>

<p>This has been my point with some of the arguements here and it was the same when my kid was getting beaten up in middle school. We make the mistake of assuming our values are the same across the board with everyone else. That is why we are so often surprized by someone else’s actions.</p>

<p>“I would never do that, my kids would never do that…” exactly… but it’s not you or yours doing that, is it? </p>

<p>that’s why cgm and I are going at it. I KNOW my S would never ever do that, he’s been that other kid getting crap thrown on him…he also knows I would never tolerate a little “barking dog” for a son harrassing anybody as it’s cowardly… but in the same token, I can’t raise everybody’s kids and what I value isn’t the same as their’s… I’d be embarrassed for the little yippers and the guys that yell from the back of the crowd…they do this because they lack something confidence wise. Like the guy with the fancy car, compensation for a small ???</p>

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<p>And you seem to have spent your time here telling overly “sheltered” parents that this sort of behavior is just boys being boys, it just is. You really think you’re going to convince these people? I mean, its a “college message board.”</p>

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<p>Well, if you scan the PSU football message boards, and read the Daily Collegian, I think you’d see that many Penn State fans are disgusted and embarrassed by the video. That’s a GOOD sign. Yeah, there’s a few idiots out there who regularly spoil things for everyone else…including the dolt who posted the video on You Tube. I’ve learned to watch out for these jerks when I go to football games and try to steer clear. I still think those Ohio States were dumb to go back there with their opposing shirts- into a crowd of drunk frat kids. And the response was awful - not shocking because I’ve seen it before a few times…but awful.
I’m thinking PSU will tighten up after this - like OSU did years ago after an incident at Texas. No more night games. More police. More drinking citations. We’ll see.</p>

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<p>I was answering your original question. Times indeed have changed and young people have become more emboldened…why there seems to be a societal shift in behavior is a bigger question. I was merely pointing out that this behavior happens more frequently than some “sheltered” parents may have experienced, especially when they were in school. </p>

<p>Part of the problem, I think, is less human-to-human social interaction. We’re now more likely to interact with inanimate things, like computer games and “college message boards”, that younger people, especially, don’t know how to act appropriately in social situations. IMO, message boards can be contributing to the problem.</p>

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<p>YOUNG people! Try wearing an opposing team’s jersey to a Dallas Cowboys football game! Your life is in danger (literally), especially if they happen to be playing Philadelphia. Philadelphia fans are as bad- or worse. This is not unique to college football.</p>

<p>Also- re: Ag54’s post about Rice football and the differences between venues. Remember that Rice’s band mocks other schools and there are cheers to the effect that “You will work for us”. I’ve been to Rice games (my D is a grad), so it goes both ways. The rivalry with UH is intense, but the Rice band has needed protection on several occasions after their taunts at rival schools.</p>

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<p>^ Rice’s band is a “scatter band”, similar to Stanford’s. Stanford’s band has been reprimanded many times.</p>

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<p>Yeah, I agree. Especially when I see stuff like this:</p>

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<p>posted in response to stuff like this:</p>

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<p>Haha. Philadelphia Eagles “fans” (adults, no less) are notorious for having booed Santa Claus and heaved snow/ice balls and batteries at him. So, uh, no, this latest incidence of idiocy is by no means something to get all bent out of shape about.</p>

<p>Happened before, happened recently, and will surely happen again.</p>

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<p>That definition is not obscure. It is the FIRST use of the term in a business book. Too bad you all know so much about male fan behavior and little about American phrases and their derivation.</p>

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<p>It means carry on doing what you are familiar with and what you do best. It apparently comes from business - if your company is good at knitting, don’t diversify into something new. </p>

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<p>Don’t get your panties in bunch is the Americanized version of “don’t get your knickers in a twist” which is an Australian phrase that has no sexuality attached. I have heard it applied many times to either sex.</p>

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<p>MOWC, do you remember when the MOB goosetepped onto Kyle Field (Texas A+M) ? The Corps had to be physically restrained.</p>

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I couldn’t have said it better myself.
I believe some folks are just arguing an agenda against air. No one here has condoned , or to my knowledge excused, fan violence. But fan “harrasment” (I don’t think of it that way. But it’s obvious some do.)? Yeah. I can get pretty salty, but I do it with laughs. Duke basketball fans? Some of y’all would have a heart attack if you listened to a half a game of that bunch’s jibes and jeers.</p>

<p>And it’s not just the big time schools. Puck Fomona is a big selling shirt and a favorite cheer at CMC/Scripps/Mudd. </p>

<p>Now as to barrons’ recent posts :eek:. Have you lost your mind? LOL. That’s exactly the NARAL scene I painted above. Why would you say that here to these women? Hmmmm. Just testing your free speech/jersey rights? See how frothy and emo some can get from you saying anything you wanted anywhere without regard to the sensitivities of others? Nah. You wouldn’t do that would you? ;)</p>

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<p>Rule # 1: Stay away from knitting and panty comments in a debate.<br>
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<p>Wait!! Wait!!! :eek: Not that anybody here has been frothy and emo, that is. Just wanted everyone to be crystal clear before I get part of somebody else’s raft of crap. ;)</p>

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<p>Cur, you just get me man. Who said the feminists were humorlous anyway?? I think they are hilarious. From throwing beer to raping mothers and daughters in one easy leap. Superman can’t even do that.</p>

<p>Tone I saw that story while doing my “research”. The man is lacking in certain equipment.</p>

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<p>I think they copied USC’s “FUCLA” shirt. :)</p>