<p>how did we start talking about boys and girls here?
Girls are no angels… I seem to remember some pretty interesting hazing videos with Princeton cheerleaders. Not exactly what I would expect from young adults either. OK, perhaps not violent…but REALLY stupid and humiliating stuff. Again, captured by pictures and posted on some website. Never would have happened years ago (the posting part).
College kids do stupid things. Even “smart” college kids And yeah, boys tend to be more aggressive with all that testosterone floating around. Now, it’s getting captured and broadcast on youtube. Not fun for the parents to watch (at least in my case). But certainly not a “shocker”.<br>
From one of the girls…and no I don’t knit.</p>
<p>“And I guess I expect more from young adults than you do”</p>
<p>And that could by why your always dissappointed and I am pleasantly surprized…
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<p>I work from the lowest common demominator UP and you work from the highest Down… Neither of us is right and neither of us is wrong. Everywhere I travel I assume possible trouble can occur and attempt to be aware. I assume no one is my friend until they show me they are. </p>
<p>Now I am outwardly aggressive? No never without provocation. Do I scan for threats all the time…yup. Just depends on where and how you grew up.</p>
<p>This is truely surprising, i thought that fathers would not be so accepting of rude, nasty, harrassing behavior of their sons, catcalling girls, name calling stranger, etc, just because they were wearing red instead of blue</p>
<p>and if you don’t think you are expecting gang like behavior and tascilating approving of it, look again</p>
<p>and you would just defend your own wife and daughter, but if drunken males harrassed other females, its okay i guess</p>
<p>Barrons…stick to our “knitting?” How utterly sexist!</p>
<p>We aren’t sheltered. We’ve heard of such behavior before. It is not shocking. It is not new. It is not unique. Hopefully that point has gotten across. It’s stlll unacceptable and inexcusable. </p>
<p>By the way, there were girls in that video and I didn’t see anyone stopping those who were doing the assault. Rather, I heard them being cheered and supported. It is behavior that is not sportsman-like or acceptable by most. I guess some here think it’s OK as it is “expected.” </p>
<p>This same behavior is not OK in other contexts or places. I think making excuses that this goes with the territory is just an excuse. The mindset behind it is pretty disconcerting. Such a mindset may know no bounds.</p>
<p>and Opie, If you accept the worst,that is what you will get…if you hope for the best, more often people will go there</p>
<p>I expect decency, humanity, politeness, etc. and it was just the other day, when I was telling my D that I was thinking about “the public” etc and how, mostly, people are kind, respectful, polite, have manners, don’t call names, help others, etc- Yesterday, I dropped some apples and THREE people came over to help me, a total stranger, so yes I look for the best in people and most of the time, I am not disappointed or saddened</p>
<p>but when I see some darn lucky adults behaving like animals, eh, I get disappointed and saddened that some people say it should be expected and it just keeps happening because its what boys er GROWN men do</p>
<p>It should be expected that when you walk across a college campus that you should get harrassed for being in another schools jersey</p>
<p>How swell, and what wonderful sons you must be raising to teach them that its okay to harrass women and assault men</p>
<p>Exactly, sooz. And I don’t buy that all guys, and all girls, in a certain age range behave like this. I didn’t, my H didn’t, our friends didn’t, my kids don’t, their friends don’t. I think some people like to look back at their own pasts and fondly (or cowardly) assume that, well, it’s okay, it’s what everyone does/did. But, it just ain’t so. I do sometimes wonder, though, if the former harassers/hazers/swaggerers/whatever-you-call-it still harbor a teensy bit of contempt for those who didn’t get with the program.</p>
<p>I was speaking with a friend of mine yesterday whose son plays football for Rice. She commented on the differences they encounter, as parents of players, when they go to watch him. </p>
<p>She said that at Marshall, they were stopped frequently by adults and students to wish them luck and thank them for making the trip. That is sportsmanship!!!</p>
<p>Conversely, at University of Houston (which I guess you could call a rival to Rice), the UH students were extremely rude (and crass) to the parents and Rice kids: pretending to urinate on the Rice team bus, wearing t-shirts that said “Rice Girls are Ugly”, cursing at the parents - REAL CLASSY. </p>
<p>It is disgusting! I think that it is just indicative of the lowering of people’s civility in general. Sporting events just give them a venue in which to act like a-holes.</p>
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<p>I’m not saying it’s OK…I’m just giving my opinion on how the situation may have transpired differently. </p>
<p>But, seriously, how do you go about solving this problem, on a larger scale?
Ban drinking? Ban frat parties? Ban football games?</p>
<p>There will always be people out there behaving stupidly.</p>
<p>well according to some here, this kind of stuff has been going on for a long time and very often and seems that colleges, parents, students turn a blind eye and ignore it</p>
<p>that is where you start- and parents, namely fathers, need to teach their sons that harrasing people, assualting them is WRONG, and schools need to step up the punishment for this kind of behavior</p>
<p>imagine this</p>
<p>50-100 drunken kids, hanging out, and when someone walks by wearing the wrong colors, they scream, through things, rock buses, etc</p>
<p>why is that acceptable on a college campus, but most likely not acceptable anywhere else in society?</p>
<p>The Teams themselves need to step up and say our fans don’t act like animals</p>
<p>We have a rivalry with another school here, and a few years ago, there was some problems with vandalism, name calling, etc</p>
<p>The football teams, both of them, cleaned up the graffitee, together, fixed the damage, and both schools cracked down on the rudeness, harassment, etc</p>
<p>The coaches, the players, etc need to say something</p>
<p>The schools need to walk around and do something on game weekends, gee, who wants to be most of the drinkers were underage…</p>
<p>It is because people have ignored the behavior and when heard about did nothing, that is why it contnues and gets ugly</p>
<p>Most schools and students are respectful, classy and participate in some good natured ribbing, but peeing on buses, etc is just childish, and it is Penn States fault, this has happened before, and will continue until they take this boorish behavior seriously</p>
<p>maybe enforce the underage drinking rules would be a place to start, as obviously they can’t handle it</p>
<p>initiations
hazing
recruitment
rejection
sexual activity
physical activity to belong
drugs/alcohol
harrassing those who are part of a rival group</p>
<p>what kind of mentalty can that create- oh yeah, the boys will be boys so they can act like jerks, be abusive, hurt people, harrass women…</p>
<p>OK - so this is a little old but still interesting.
<a href=“http://www.beeresponsible.com/newsroom/fullarticle.asp?ID=21[/url]”>http://www.beeresponsible.com/newsroom/fullarticle.asp?ID=21</a></p>
<p>I’ve been to quite a few football games at son’s school, and I have never seen anything approaching people throwing cans or cups at or on other people. Not saying it has never happened, just that I’ve never seen it. Before games, we usually meet up with extended family at their tailgating parking place (always the same place). We also swing by son’s fraternity house. I’ve never seen any students drinking in the house pre-game, although they rent out their parking lot to alumni tailgaters and there are plenty of them drinking it up outside. During the game, the police are everywhere. If people start to get out of line, they are carted off.
My son has several friends who go to Auburn (big rival) and they’ll come down for the game, attend parties, etc. It’s never been a big problem. I imagine it’s all about how circumspect they are with their behavior; for example, I’m sure they don’t go into a party talking trash about beating the Gators. That just wouldn’t be cool.</p>
<p>Garland, I totally agree with you. It need NOT go with the territory of athletics or colleges or frats. As I said, my kids happen to not attend big football schools but I have been to sporting events at one of my kid’s colleges, including a football game. I saw no behavior of this sort. There was respect for the other team and the crowd applauded the other team’s halftime show and so forth. My kid is on a varsity team that is not a huge spectator sport. However, the athletes cheer on the athetes on the other teams and congratulate them and so forth. In fact, even during the down times at their competitions, such as at the hotels and such, they hang out with their competitors. So, like you say, not every athlete or fan behaves in this way. </p>
<p>I have been to major sporting events. There is the usual cheering and booing. I haven’t witnessed attacks of fans of the visiting team. Such behavior is a certain mentality and not a good one. In a school setting, sportsmanship is the name of the game. This incident was an embarrassment as it did not stand for the ideals of this great university, its team, or its frat. I have not heard of this kind of behavior at my kid’s school. I don’t believe it is to be expected with the territory of big sports. Lots of people are diehard fans and don’t act this way toward fans from the visiting team. I WOULD expect a diehard fan to shout “go (insert own team)!” as a fan from the other team walks by but I would never expect the diehard fan to call a fan from the other team “■■■■■■” or hurl hard objects at that fan.</p>
<p>It takes a certain kind of person to act this way, not simply a lover of big sports. One can be the hugest fan in the world (and get hoarse…OK curm?) but never dream of harrassing fans of the other team or assaulting them. It need not go with the territory of sports. It is unacceptable in other contexts, as it should be. In fact, assaults are against the law. For these kids to display that kind of antagonism against their peers makes me think that they don’t draw the line simply with sports but with anyone who is in a different group or on another “side”. One can be a very very avid sports fan and not have to “get with the program” of what’s “expected” apparently by some (according to posts I am reading).</p>
<p>^ It’s a different environment in the stadium versus a back alley of fraternity row. </p>
<p>Use common street sense. </p>
<p>It doesn’t make it right, but activity like this is more likely to occur in less public/visible locations.</p>
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<p>Wow, barrons and UCBChemEGrad. Could you possibly come across as more immature, crass and lame?</p>
<p>“stick to you knitting” is a generic business term for doing what you know, or in this case talking about what you know.
So don’t get your panties in a bunch.</p>
<p><a href=“Stick to knitting[/url] - Idioms by The Free Dictionary”>Stick to knitting</a></p> - Idioms by The Free Dictionary;
<p><a href=“http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=panties+in+a+bunch[/url]”>Urban Dictionary: panties in a bunch;
<p>“i thought that fathers would not be so accepting of rude, nasty, harrassing behavior of their sons”</p>
<p>Are those my kids??? cgm, you have projection issues…</p>
<p>If one of those were my kid, he make medical history as the first man to survive with his dad’s foot buried in his ass. </p>
<p>You keep twisting this to poke at people why? At the end of the day do you expect anybody to agree with you?</p>
<p>Barrons, you’re being very transparent. “Stick to your knitting” is not a common phrase at all, within the business world or otherwise, and I’m going to guess your obscure use of it was to purposely imply a sexist stereotype (only so you could play dictionary and deny it later). You could have written any other phrase with the same meaning, but you just “had” to choose “knitting”? Yeah, right.</p>
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<p>Now you’re just trying to bait people, because using a phrase like that within this context is particularily stupid. Bored? Looking for a fight?</p>
<p>Barrons…first of all, “stick to your knitting” was a sexist remark. You even stated in the same short paragraph that we had not all been males and are not familiar with “Man Rules.” Even if it is an idiom that means “stick to what you know,” it is just as offensive. You are insinuating that some of us who are posting don’t know about major sports and fans and such. We may be quite familiar with it but still find the actions by those particular fans to be inexcusable. We are not any less “in the know,” thank you very much. </p>
<p>By the way, you called this normal male behavior. I know lots of male sports fans and college students who do not act this way.</p>
<p>Marge…LOL…I agree! Now Barrons is using “panties” instead of knitting. Panties are what WOMEN wear, not most men I know. So, tally number two for sexist remarks! :rolleyes:</p>