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<p>LOL…probably because you aren’t a drunk, young college student. Also, being at a pro stadium is a lot different than walking through a rival college’s fraternity row back alley.</p>
<p>I don’t think anybody on this particular board is jumping anyone with an opposing jersey or even thinking about it. Wear you shirt if you want, just be cautious in certain situations. Sitting near drunk opposing fans at a big game (rivals or playoff/Championship games for example) would be one situation that comes to mind. Walking into a frat party with opposing team jerseys…hmmm…definitely not priceless.<br>
I went to the PSU/Notre Dame game this year, and sat amongst lots of green (in the ND section) with sprinkles of blue and white, and no trouble. This stuff doesn’t happen all the time but it DOES happen. I was surprised by our Tampa experience…live and learn.</p>
<p>Keep in mind that this is a Pike frat…</p>
<p>"Violence will never change if we agree that, in the immortal words of that fascist, Alexander Pope-- “whatever is, is right.”</p>
<p>But in the same token, rarely do you overturn violence without violence. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, the way we deal with situations often assumes everybody has the same value system… that is the nice person’s basic mistake. </p>
<p>I am sorry for your D attack. </p>
<p>I am not excusing what happened at PSU, but I am not surprized by it either. It is not new, it is not surprising… </p>
<p>I am also not surprized to learn that nonfrat guys and nonschool guys are the main ones behind it. People will do crappy things if they think they can blend… I’ve had parents stand on the opposite sideline (other team’s) and just bait the ref, over and over to try and get calls for their team… Very little behavor wise surprizes me anymore… I stopped thinking about what people should do, because it’s wasted energy.</p>
<p>I skimmed this thread, but didn’t see any reference to a major point. THIS VIDEO WAS PROBABLY POSTED BY THE VICE-PRESIDENT OF THE FRATERNITY who undoubtedly thought it was “cool.” One of my neighbors uses the term “felony stupid” to describe this sort of behavior. </p>
<p>The kids shouldn’t have done it, but it was probably done when they were half-bombed and was a spontaneous thing. I don’t think that makes it right–at all. But the amazing thing to me is that this video was not posted by an Ohio State fan or by someone who happened to witness the attack and wanted the kids punished. The video was apparently uploaded to youtube by the VP of the frat, who is a film major! </p>
<p>So, presumably while stone-cold sober, he wanted to brag about this “cool” thing his frat had done! That’s what I call “felony stupid.” Talk about returning to the scene of the crime! Because he had to brag, his frat has been kicked out of the national org, the police are talking about citations for disorderly conduct, and PSU will undoubtedly take disciplinary action. I’m sure his frat “brothers” are more than a bit annoyed!</p>
<p>considering that the party was “EXCLUSIVE” and the frat will most likely be at minimum cited, etc., nice to try and take the blame away from the frat, like they are just wrong place wrong time- interesting theory</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime_courts/story/248912.html[/url]”>http://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime_courts/story/248912.html</a></p>
<p>By Sara Ganim
- <a href="mailto:sganim@centredaily.com">sganim@centredaily.com</a>
A man seen in a Youtube .com video throwing beer cans at an Ohio State student during a tailgate party has been identified by police as a University of Pittsburgh student, and the fraternity that hosted the party will be cited in connection with the “melee,” police said.</p>
<p>State College police are still determining what charges should be filed against the Pitt student, who was videotaped running up to a man, later identified as an Ohio State student, and throwing a beer can at him, said police Sgt. Keith Robb.</p>
<p>Police determined the video was taken about 4 p.m. at an exclusive tailgate party at the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity house, 417 E Prospect Ave., he said. The suspect, whose name was not released, was identified with the help of Pi Kappa Alpha members, Robb said.</p>
<p>A summary citation of disorderly conduct will be issued to Pi Kappa Alpha for hosting the party.</p>
<p>“It was invitation only, but we feel that based on the investigation, the majority (of attendants) were Pi-ka members involved in this melee,” Robb said.</p>
<p>Wow, Garland. I know the parks in your town & they are beautiful – I’d never think running at 3PM would be a foolish choice at all. In fact, I used to drive D to them when she was training & I’d do my middle-aged mom speed work out while she ran on her own. Never again! I’m so glad the physical damage wasn’t even worse…</p>
<p>Glad to see PSU and Pitt fans united against a common enemy. Obviously the oSU guys thought nothing of it and probably are enjoying the notoriety. No harm no foul is still the rule in my book–especially in this type of altercation. Generalizing this to something bigger is just stretching to fit your agenda.</p>
<p>SS–don’t be afraid, the one you go to is fine. This was a weird random thing at our Little League field towards the southern end of town–not one you’d ever go to. It was apparently a gang type anomaly–they weren’t around much till recently. Now they are. 
The park you’re probably thinking of borders on that other, fancier town (you know the one I mean). You’ll be fine there.</p>
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<p>Again, this type of activity is not uncommon, posting it on the web is what made it unique, and in the end people did the right thing.</p>
<p>people keep saying “uncommon” what does that have to do with anything?</p>
<p>obviouslly this has been going on but was ignored, so it was “okay” , now, when it is shown to the world, that is when people and schools etc decide to do something</p>
<p>does it just take publicity to get people to do the right thing?</p>
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<p>I don’t see your point. I have already said that I fully understand diehard sports fans. I have explained that while we don’t have national teams in our region, I had had experiences at such events. I may have even screamed at them. I can’t recall if I got hoarse as it was a while ago and my memory is fading at age 50. I very much understand the fervor with screaming at the top of one’s lungs for the team. What I don’t get is a desire to harrass fans for another team with namecalling and throwing objects at them. I can be a diehard fan who screams until she is hoarse but will never get the mentality of verbally and physically attacking fans for the other side. I’d go all out for my team but would not mistreat those fans for the other team. It’s called sportsmanship. And in an educational setting, it is an important guideline.</p>
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<p>I believe I have posted several times now but just in case I wasn’t clear…I do NOT BELIEVE THIS INCIDENT IS UNIQUE! I am NOT naive. I believe it occurs. It is not a college thing, a frat thing, or a PSU thing. It happens. I get it. It is not unusual. So? What’s your point? I never said it was. That’s certainly NOT MY POINT. Just because it happens a lot doesn’t mean it is not worth discussing such behavior when it occurs. This time it got more attention due to the posting on the internet (so dumb for those involved!). I’m glad the colleges, frat organizations, and police are looking into it as it demonstrates that such behavior is not condoned. </p>
<p>A point that I brought up and which garland has also posted about (I agree with all she wrote) has to do with this kind of mentality. I’m even reading that “these guys practically asked for it by wearing the opposing team journey on the PSU frat’s turf.” And ya see, I don’t go along with that. Fans from an opposing team attending a game at the other school should be able to wear jerseys for their team and be treated respectfully. In this case, ironically, the OSU kids were members of the same fraternal organization (even more reason to treat them respectfully) who had been welcomed at the same frat house the night before. They are still the same kids the next day but with jerseys on. What I would expect is that the PSU kids might be shouting in front of them, “Go PSU!” to make the point of their allegiance. But attacking them and calling the fans curse words, faggots, and throwing beer cans at them crosses the line from being a diehard fan to being something else. </p>
<p>And where do you draw the line? It’s OK because these are diehard sports fans? Such behavior is not OK in other contexts, so why this one? And what’s the difference between a sports jersey and some other “difference” between two groups? We read fo incidents where Black kids attacked a White kid with a sneaker and they are in jail or White kids performed a hate act against a group of Black kids? What about a gay guy in a straight bar or vice versa? A girl who is walking down a city street in the “wrong” neighborhood where residents are of a different race? A young woman who is raped? </p>
<p>I’m not naive that these things happen. I am simply saying that such a mentality that was behind this particular act is quite disconcerting. Being different, and in this case merely wearing the team shirt, should not be cause for an assault. That kind of thinking on the part of the students involved is really unbecoming. Just because it is not unique, doesn’t mean one should expect it to happen. I’d like to hold students to a higher standard. I don’t think those particular students represented their school well ,nor the ideals of their frat organization. At some point, even if these behaviors are commonplace, people need to take a stand and say, “not OK.” I realize PSU has tried to do that in the past and I am sure they will be making that clear once again. It is disappointing to see young people with this kind of mentality and behaviors. Such ways of thinking can cross over beyond team allegiance and into other “differences.” That’s the concern.</p>
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<p>Let me get this…as long as those who were harrassed verbally and assaulted with objects were not physically injured…it’s fine? So, harrassment and physical assault is okey dokey if nobody gets hurt? These behaviors and actions are not OK. Even those investigating do not deem them to be OK. The entire measure is not whether the person got injured. They could have, but OK they didn’t. So, therefore it’s fine? Not how I see it and actually there are laws regarding such conduct. There likely are school rules about such conduct as well…whether or not those victimized were physically hurt.</p>
<p>Was the incident wrong?: Yes
Was the incident unexpected?: No</p>
<p>Imagine the SAME behvior with no game day going on…</p>
<p>What Sooviet said is spot on…just because it is common, doens’t make it acceptable in society</p>
<p>Imagine the world series, if one team screamed and threw beer at the visitors on the sidewalk, are at a bar just because they wore the wrong jersey</p>
<p>Would that be okay? </p>
<p>Again, jsut because it happens, doesn’t make it right…it is that “well boys will be boys” attitude that is just naive</p>
<p>These are grown men who think its somehow manly to scream, beat people up. rock buses, throw bottles and can, because of some team spirit thing</p>
<p>I have a couple of teams I root for, my H is a BIG TIME soccer fan, does that mean he can be a hooligan- nope- just because in some places its common, doesn’t mean it is right</p>
<p>I guess for some, if their wife was screamed at, pushed, thrown beer on - no harm no foul</p>
<p>Obviously some of you have never been 19-22 year old male college students. You know what, we have our own rules for behavior in certain situations. We’'ll call them the Man Rules. If you our a normal stout college male with a little swagger one thing you might do as a visiting fan is to stroll through the hotbeds of enemy territory just to see what happens. We consider that fun. If you get a response such as being chased with a few beer cans–MORE FUN. Stick to you knitting girls. You just don’t know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>^ Hehe. I agree, some of the posters seem to live very sheltered lives.</p>
<p>OMG, you pulled the sexist card…big surpise!!</p>
<p>and avoided the question- I will be very clear</p>
<p>IF YOUR WIFE OR DAUGHTER WAS CHASED, HAD THINGS THROWN AT HER, HARRASSED, THAT WOULD BE OKAY?</p>
<p>Now, take away the REASON for that…becuase it isn’t relevant</p>
<p>And I guess I expect more from young adults than you do</p>
<p>Truely astounding, your mind set is exactly the same as a gang members, btw…</p>
<p>If you took away the SPORTS aspect, you would indeed have gangs, just milling about, getting drunk and assualting people for walking through their turf</p>
<p>^ You’re changing the situation…If it’s my wife or daughter, of course I’m going to defend her.</p>
<p>I’m sure if they were girls in OSU jerseys, they probably wouldn’t have been assaulted…just name calling, cat calls, etc.</p>
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<p>Young males have a different mindset…they’re pack animals, and will defend their pack.</p>
<p>I’m not condoning the assault with beer cans, but it’s not to be unexpected when you have immature, drunk college kids in that type of party setting.</p>