Summer Program Etiquette Question

Not quite sure how to articulate this question. Teen was accepted into a Summer Program while several applications at others were pending. Once he got accepted into the program in which he was happy, he contacted two programs at two colleges where his application was still pending to send his regrets and to ask that his application be withdrawn from those programs.

Part of the reason he informed them right away is because both programs traditionally have waiting lists at each stage of the application process and he wanted to free up a spot for someone else.

Both programs acknowledged receipt of his application withdrawal request and wished him the best. This was done a while ago.

One of those college programs recently sent teen a notice of update, and when he checked it, there was a letter of regret that they could not offer teen a spot in the program. But teen had ALREADY asked that is application be withdrawn.

The second college program is still sending him status updates on his application although, again, he already informed them that he was withdrawing his application.

My concern is that both of the colleges in question are schools that are potentially on teen’s college list. I don’t love that in one of files they have a letter indicating that they rejected him when in fact he withdrew his application a while ago - especially since he will likely be applying to both schools. It feels like a blemish. How should teen handle this?

The communication between summer program and actual admissions is very close to zero.

One (summer program) is an independent operation designed to monetize empty dorms and classrooms with a couple of adjuncts and maybe an actual professor or two for credibility. The other (the admissions office) is an essential function of the university staffed by actual university employees.

Put this behind you. Not worth a single moment of thought.

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My only concern is that neither of the programs I am worried about are of the type you described. I would be less concerned if they were. They are free, competitive, research programs with multi step applications. One is pretty well known. The other is less well known, but competitive.

I guess I am worried that admissions people will say “Oh look we already rejected this person a few months ago. Why would we consider them now?”

My kid was rejected from RSI and then accepted at MIT later on. And my kids guidance counselor assured him that the admissions teams do not communicate in any meaningful way. Is this the type of program you are talking about?

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I would also not worry about this. Not the same people, and not the same institutional goals, and so I really doubt the Admissions Office will care what the Summer Program people did.

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Yes. Ok, that is good to know. So even though he wasn’t’ actually rejected because he withdrew, you are saying it won’t affect teen at all once he applies?

Also, regarding the school that keeps sending teen updates on his application even though they acknowledged his withdrawal email, what should teen do about that?

Finally, congratulations on your kid’s acceptance into MIT!

Thanks.

As mentioned by a previous post, college admission and summer program most likely have different goals and missions. College admission committee is more concerned about building a community, not just looking at stats. They may be interested in having few people to join their orchestra/choir/student government…
I think sometimes we over analyze college admission.

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Totally. Particularly at colleges that get a lot of applications for every enrollment slot, they don’t really have time to do things like investigate if any given applicant applied for but did not get some summer program! They need to focus on a few things that stand out from the submitted application and make decisions on that basis.

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I know I am totally over-analyzing everything. But hear me out. I attended college back in the 80s and am kind of overwhelmed by how different things are now, than when I applied.

I feel like I was a normal kid with a normal life, normal activities like the occasional baby sitting or summer camp counselor job and regular SAT scores that were obtained without test prep help and yet I was able to get into a top t20 school (actually more than one if I remember correctly).

On the other hand, my teen is applying at a time when kids are scoring almost perfect scores on the SATs, are doing high level research, own businesses, have amazing passion projects and are generally way more accomplished and brilliant than I ever was at 16 years old.

I even priced out a college consultant that a well-off friend recommended because of her successful clients, but really could not bring myself to divert that much money to a consultant.

I guess what I am saying is: because teen is doing everything himself, with occasional input from me based on what I glean from these boards, and because the whole college applications/admissions environment is so different from what I experienced, I am a bit anxious about every little thing. :slight_smile:

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I totally get it, and for sure there are various ways in which kids have to be more competitive today than they would have in their parents’ era for a variety of “top” colleges.

At the same time, though, since that prior era, those “top” colleges today are getting far, far more applications than they used to. In fact, they are getting far more than they did just before COVID. As a result, they have gotten more and more aggressive about things like doing an initial screen for truly competitive applicants. And even if you pass the initial screen, they are then looking for things that truly make an applicant stand out to them.

Given all this, it is inefficient and possibly counterproductive for kids, and the families supporting them, to spend a lot of time, energy, and concern on things that almost surely won’t actually matter, meaning they are neither going to help you get past an initial screen nor help you stand out if you do get to that point.

Indeed, I am not at all convinced everyone needs a pricey college consultant, but I think often to the extent they can add value, it is precisely because they understand what actually matters, and they can get the kid and family focused on those things. They can also help kids/families come up with carefully chosen colleges for their application list, the kind where the kid has the best chance of actually standing out.

But the reason I am not convinced everyone needs a pricey college consultant is there are other ways of getting help doing that. Some people have excellent college counseling at their school, and again the best of them help you stay focused on what really matters, and on coming up with good lists.

But I also think the community here is good at that stuff too. Occasionally we disagree or debate over strategies and colleges and such at the margins, but I think most of the people here agree on most of the important things most of the time, and also are great at generating good college suggestions.

So my advice is to take your energy and put it into supporting your kid in those ways, and do your best to avoid wasting it on things that really are very unlikely to actually matter.

Edit: Oh, and I just want to make something I implied a little more explicit. I think some parents and kids get into this mode of thinking where basically they imagine for the “top” colleges there is some perfect, 100-point sort of applicant, and then your kid loses points for various deficiencies, and if they lose too many points they won’t be admitted.

And we know this is completely wrong (from what AOs say, from studies, from information revealed in law suits, and so on).

What we know instead is these colleges are all trying to put together an interesting mix of different students in each class, not a bunch of identical students with the same qualities in the same measures. And of course no one is actually perfect, but different applicants stand out to them as particularly interesting in their own individual ways.

So I think on the first way of thinking, kids and families end up wasting a lot of time, effort, energy, sometimes money, and so on trying to “fix” what they see as deficiencies, plugging perceived holes, worrying about any instances of less than maximal success, and so on. Whereas what they actually should be doing is trying to understand what actually does make their particular kid special, interesting, and indeed not just like tens of thousands of other kids who will be applying to the same colleges.

And once they understand what truly does make their kid special and interesting–and there is always something, even if it is not on some traditional list of “good for college” things, indeed arguably BETTER if it is NOT on such a list–they can figure out how best to leverage that through well-chosen colleges and well-written applications.

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Good points! I am just going to edit this to add one more question. The program that is still sending him application updates - should he do anything about that one? Send another email? Ignore?

Like I mentioned he withdrew his application from both programs a while back (the one that is still sending updates & the one that sent him the rejection).

Personally, I would ignore it, but I also think if you like you can just send a polite reminder he withdrew. I don’t think either approach will make any difference to college admissions, so it is more a matter of trying to be considerate.

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OP- I understand where you are coming from. I was that ordinary kid as well.

But something to consider is that there are 40 or 50 colleges that are now “top 20” if you know what I mean. Colleges that we used to consider backups to your safety school are now highly regarded both by graduate schools and employers. “The list” is MUCH deeper than anyone from previous generations can relate to. Public flagships which hid under the radar have invested in programs and faculty and technology and other resources-- and the quality of the “product” (i.e. the education) reflects that.

U Mass- one of the top (some say the absolute top) linguistics programs in the country. U Maine- the top paper technology program even if you include Canadian universities (and Canada has a lot of trees and produces a lot of paper). Stonybrook- it was the punch line of jokes about New York’s lack of a flagship U a generation ago. Thanks to Jim Simon and his family and their incredible generosity-- $500 million dollars to a public U? in addition to their previous investments in the university? it will continue to do groundbreaking work in the sciences. Pitt- if you haven’t been paying attention, it’s worth an hour’s read about what’s been going on. Pittsburgh the city transformed itself from a depressed set of empty steel mills which had moved production overseas to a center of excellence in robotics, life sciences, AI. Largely due to the muscle provided by CMU and U Pitt (and some of the other smaller schools in the region). University of Texas- perpetually in the top five list of “places to study finance and accounting”. U Michigan- probably has 10-12 programs which rank in the “best” lists. Purdue, Illinois, Georgia Tech-- and I haven’t even gotten to California yet- outstanding universities.

Looking for a Catholic environment? It’s not just Georgetown and Notre Dame anymore on the “top academics” lists. Holy Cross, BC, and a bunch of smaller and less known U’s. Want something really urban? GW, NYU, Northeastern- not just the commuter schools for the kids from DC/NY/Boston suburbs who couldn’t get in somewhere better.

So it’s OK to sweat the small stuff as long as you keep it in perspective. Your kid will get a fantastic and rigorous education if that’s what he wants. And if it’s not what he wants, he’ll play beer pong, go to frat parties, and skate by which is still a thing for many kids.

Hugs. Agree that paying for a private counselor is likely not the best use of funds.

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I hear you. I think that is part of my anxiety though. LOL. We are not really even focused on the traditional top 20 schools. The schools that were almost sure bets back in my day (which is mostly what we are focused on like the state flagship schools) feel WAY more competitive. But I do agree I am sweating the small stuff too much.

I appreciate the much needed hug. :grinning:

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Teen did the right thing by withdrawing his applications! Here’s how to address it:

  1. Relax: Rejection letters after withdrawal are a common oversight. Colleges likely have automated systems that continue processing applications.

  2. No Action Needed: These likely won’t affect future applications. Most colleges understand withdrawals and focus on completed applications.

  3. Optional: If teen feels strongly, he can politely email admissions at both colleges explaining he withdrew his application earlier and the rejection letter seems like an error. Briefly mention his future application interest (optional).

Focus on the positive - teen was proactive and got his ideal program! Don’t worry about these letters. Good luck with future applications!

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And by the way, the parents regularly posting here are like the last people who should be saying you shouldn’t put a lot of care and mental energy into supporting your kid’s college application process! Very much myself included. I dare say we could fairly be called “fanatics” of that process.

So we’re definitely not against that, we just want to use our own experiences and acquired information to help you make it the most positive process possible for you and your kid.

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I think you can do some analysis to possibly help your kid’s admission prospect.
Colleges want to build a balanced community. If you are from the NE, your kid probably would have a better chance of getting into Rice, all else being equal, than Georgetown.
ED is a very nice free option applicants have, but they only have one. It’s worth your while to figure out where to throw that option. D2 had the stats to possibly get into HYPS when she was applying. Her counselor strongly encouraged her to apply to Yale. I said to her, “Do you think you would be a lot happier at Yale than Cornell. If you apply to Yale EA and do not get in and then apply Cornell RD, Cornell may reject/WL you because they may think it’s a backup for you.” She applied ED to Cornell and the rest was history.
I did use a private college counselor. He advised my daughter on courses and ECs to take. D never took courses or ECs she didn’t want to do, but if there were options the counselor opined on it. He was also very good at putting the application together to tell a story about D2. I was very busy when D2 was applying to colleges and it was helpful to have someone for D2 to go to. In hindsight, I think D2 could have gotten into Cornell on her own.
This is probably outside of this thread’s topic.

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Newt- I have worked in corporate talent management/recruiting for decades and have met a LOT of college kids/recent grads/a few years out grads.

I have NEVER met a kid (or met a career development professional at a college) who was unable to put together a rigorous college education regardless of where they landed. Even kids who eventually ended up doing Life Sciences at a very high level at a very demanding R1 grad program who got a BS from a college with the worldview that evolution is just a theory and that DNA analysis goes against the will of God.

The good news/bad news about our higher ed system is that in some places rigor is unavoidable (Cal Tech?) and in other places, a kid has to want it, seek it out, make it happen. And more good news/bad news- life is full of trade-offs. So a kid who needs to be close to home because a widowed parent has a chronic illness and needs help with younger kids- may not be able to fulfill the wish list on college-- but by going local, kid is fulfilling other important things. A kid who wants a particular climate, or wants to be near surfing, or participate in his/her sport may not be at the optimal academic “match”-- but those other things became more important when the decision is made. And of course money- a lot of students go where they get the best deal, even if they can’t major in “international relations” and have to settle for Poli Sci plus language fluency plus econ plus history (i.e. International Relations without the nomenclature).

I have no doubt that if your kid is going to prioritize a particular type of intellectual and academic challenge, he will be able to do that at about 50 of the “top 20” colleges.

Once he gets serious about what he wants- we can help. There are a lot of hidden gems out there!

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