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<p>Name one. Providing abortions is not a lucrative business, not to mention the fact that some crazy people try to kill you.</p>
<p>George Tiller was a multi-millionaire who gave big $$ to pro-abortion politicians. Lucrative, yes.</p>
<p>This from a USA Today article after Tiller was killed May 31, 2009:
"Campaign-finance records show Tiller was prolific in political donations. He has given more than $166,000 in contributions over the years, mostly to Democratic state and national committees, candidates and liberal groups. TheTopeka Capital-Journal said Tiller’s ProKanDo was the most generous PAC in Kansas races in 2002, giving more than $271,000 to candidates, party committees and other PACs. In 2003 and 2004, ProKanDo doled out $90,000. The PAC raised $650,000 in the 2005-2006 election cycle, including $120,000 from Tiller, according to campaign-finance records.
Former governor Kathleen Sebelius, President Obama’s secretary for Health and Human Services, received more than $35,000 from Tiller and his clinic for herself or her political action committee. Sebelius is a supporter of abortion rights.</p>
<p>Here’s a quote from Bernard Nathanson, MD (one of the founders of NARAL, He was once head of one of the biggest abortion clinics in NYC, and estimated that he himself performed 75,000 abortion. After the development of the ultrasound, he quit doing abortions and became pro-life):</p>
<p>“Why, you may well ask, do some American doctors who are privy to the findings of foetology, discredit themselves by carrying out abortions? Simple arithmetic at $300 a time, 1.55 million abortions means an industry generating $500,000,000 annually, of which most goes into the pocket of the physician doing the abortion."</p>
<p>(I imagine the cost of abortion may have gone up since Nathanson left the business years ago, but for late abortions, obviously the payment is quite a bit more.)</p>
<p>$$ must be the only reason people stay in the business even under threat of crazies.</p>
<p>$$ is certainly not the reason anyone stays in that business but I would gather from the post above that an open mind is not present in the conversation.</p>
<p>As to the Tebow ad, no one is in favor of encouraging abortion - other than economists who note that the crime rate has dropped because of abortion - and so ads that discourage that choice are fine if they are tastefully done (and that is a requirement only because the subject requires tact).</p>
<p>"$$ is certainly not the reason anyone stays in that business "</p>
<p>I think you are very naive if you don’t believe that the abortion industry is a very lucrative one. The videos recently put out by a pro-life movement of the extreme lengths abortion providers went to, to try and convince a planted young woman that her baby did not have a heart beat and other blatant falsehoods is enlightening. Why not give women accurate information? Because they don’t make money on this girl if she leaves without an abortion.</p>
<p>I went to Planned Parenthood for the bulk of my medical care for ten years in my teens to twenties, because they accepted fees on a sliding scale that I could afford-
They primarily provided pap smears, and birth control, but I also appreciated the time that they spent talking to me about nutrition, about making wise choices and about my overall health.
THe ones in my area do not provide abortions, and when I became pregnant despite using birth control, they counseled me against having an abortion, although it was within the first 7 weeks, I was unmarried and wasn’t ready to have a child.</p>
<p>Some areas don’t have ob/gyns because of multiple reasons : high insurance costs, pharmacists who refuse to fill legal medical prescriptions - disclosure laws that require parents to be notified when a minor is pregnant even if that disclosure threatens the life of the young woman and her child-… PLanned Parenthood provides a very important service.</p>
<p>[Timeline</a> of reproductive rights legislation -](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_reproductive_rights_legislation]Timeline”>Timeline of reproductive rights legislation - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>$$ must be the only reason people stay in the business even under threat of crazies.</p>
<p>I truly, truly pity you if you think that monetary gain is why people work in areas where they may be at physical risk.</p>
<p>Working toward something you believe in, like freedom of speech, delivering legal or medical care, equal rights…, safety in the workplace…these rights don’t come easily.
Our country was founded by people who risked their lives and livelihoods to live with integrity , are you saying that they did so to line their own pocket?
Is that why people like MLK, Robert Kennedy, Medgar Evers died?</p>
<p>Did Tiller make more money than any other well-paid doctor of his age?</p>
<p>It’s impossible to know because the web sites are dominated by the desperate to kill Dr. Tiller movement. </p>
<p>What I find sad, other than anyone excusing his murder, is that a position can make a person utterly and completely unable to accept material other than from one side and then from the most rabid partisans. I could show any person dozens and dozens of stories from the other side, from women who bless Dr. Tiller for saving their lives and from women who are grateful that their extremely deformed children weren’t born only to die. Yet the idea is gospel that he killed babies to get rich - somehow ignoring the security and the attempts on his life - and that he gave late-term abortions to anyone who felt somehow bad about being pregnant. The state, which was openly hostile to Dr. Tiller, repeatedly investigated him and never made that charge stick. But it’s gospel and there is no other point of view.</p>
<p>State of Kansas openly hostile to Tiller? Choke.
Do you live in Kansas? (I do.)</p>
<p>Tiller was very wealthy. House worth over a million. Giving hundreds of thousands of $ to pro-abortion politicians? Not many doctors live like that.</p>
<p>Yes, many people do dangerous jobs, and not for the $$. For example, my brother is a fireman. He makes less than 10% of what Tiller made per year. Firefighting is one of the “most admired” professions. Abortionists, on the other hand are not respected. They are scorned by other doctors.</p>
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<p>They do where I live. I don’t find the idea of a doctor becoming wealthy remotely surprising, and if Tiller were just in it for the money, he could have found a way to earn the same money without being shot at.</p>
<p>I wish you compulsory pregnancy people would stop calling pro-choicers “pro-abortion.” Nobody’s pro-abortion. That’s like being pro-mastectomy.</p>
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<p>I also have read that there are questions being raised regarding Mrs. Tebow’s story. That if she was indeed in the Phillipines when she got pregnant, doctors providing abortion counseling couldn’t have been an option for her as abortion was illegal there.</p>
<p>Well, <em>I</em> respected Dr. Tiller. </p>
<p>I don’t respect antichoice lying zealots.</p>
<p>You seriously think it is <em>rare</em> for a doctor to live in a $1million house? HA HA HA HA HA.</p>
<p>The so called ”pro choice” crowd doesn’t like being called pro abortion.</p>
<p>The so called “pro life” crowd doesn’t like being called anti choice.</p>
<p>To the vast majority of Americans abortion is not a black and white issue. And that same majority considers the zealots on both sides of the issue a very despicable bunch, for the reason that the invectives that they hurl at each other are in the main true.</p>
<p>Many people respected Dr. Tiller. I don’t value the work done by the Tebows any more highly than I value his work. In fact, if the main goal of the Tebows was evangelism, I would value Dr. Tiller’s work more. Some think the ad will be worth it if a woman chooses not to abort and saves the potential for life. What if a woman, because of the ad, changes her mind and decides to risk her life to have a baby and dies and there is loss of a real life, real mother, real sister, real daughter? </p>
<p>Please - stop with the 1st Amendment already. This has nothing to do with the 1st Amendment. CBS doesn’t have to show any ad it doesn’t want to. In fact, they have rejected an ad for a gay dating website.</p>
<p>Most abortions are for matter of convenience–not life or death except of course for the child. Most pro-life people I think are OK with an exception for a documented medical threat of death but not the “general health and welfare” type loopholes which can mean we just don’t feel like it and it makes me feel bad.</p>
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<p>Does anyone think this is eventually going to backfire?</p>
<p>This is what I think… we are constantly being reminded of just how human all these super-athletes are, with the latest being the recent downfall of Tiger Woods. It seems as if the higher an athlete puts himself/herself up on a pedestal, the farther they fall. With Tiger Woods, I was in complete shock; I’m not a golf fan, but from what I had seen and heard of his story, I thought he was pretty much invincible. </p>
<p>I saw an ad on TV tonight with Michael Phelps; I didn’t realize he was being recruited for advertising again. As an adult, I can separate the human from the athlete, but young kids don’t have the ability to do that yet, and they are very impressionable. </p>
<p>Are there any professional athletes out there that would impress any of you in an ad these days?</p>
<p>[Planned</a> Parenthood responds to Tim Tebow Super Bowl ad - USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-02-03-planned-parenthood-tim-tebow_N.htm]Planned”>http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-02-03-planned-parenthood-tim-tebow_N.htm)</p>
<p>i think CBS should be terrified of a massive feminist boycott of the superbowl.</p>
<p>oh, wait…</p>
<p>^^^^^I watch more football than my husband. Can’t get enough of it. College ball is my favorite, however, because it gets so crazy and crowds are much more excited. I’m always sad when the last bowl game is over.</p>
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<p>Well then, you would have really enjoyed last night’s WVU v. Pitt basketball game!</p>