Support Gay Marriage?

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<p>Uvajoe, I don’t think a fair reading of my two posts shows that I’m closed minded. Nor do I believe that support for gay rights is synonymous with support for gay marriage. In fact, prior to the Massachusetts Supreme Court ruling, marriage was not a high political priority for most gays. The momentum for this issue springs from that case. </p>

<p>I have heard some good arguments for gay marriage, but I am also respectful of the values and traditions of most Americans and recognize that a change this radical must occur through a process that is seen as legitimate, not simply the result of a 5-4 ruling from one state court that is subsequently rammed down the throats of the other 49 states. Let’s be real: this issue gave Ohio (and hence the 2004 election) to Bush. </p>

<p>Some may recall that Chief Justice Earl Warren felt strongly that a social change as radical as school desegregation was in the 1950s required a unanimous court (the United States Supreme Court, not the Massacusetts Supreme Court). The unanimous ruling of our nation’s highest court in the Brown case, while resisted in parts of the South, contributed to the decision’s ultimate acceptance. </p>

<p>In many ways, gay marriage is far more controversial and contrary to human experience than desegregation. After all, Moses had an Ethiopian wife, but no one in the Bible was known to have had a spouse of the same sex. And while integration was a radical concept to most Southerners in the 1950s, integration and intermarriage were well-established and legal virtually everywhere except the United States. </p>

<p>I don’t think it closed-minded to say that if you are proposing to redefine a fudamental human institution such as marriage, the process by which that occurs matters, as does the consent of the governed. If gays and their political allies fail to recognize that, we may ALL be living in very red states.</p>

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<p>The issue regarding gay marriage gave the election to Bush? How do you see that? Neither Kerry nor Bush supported gay marriage, they agreed on that, so I really would have to disagree. Bush won the election because Karl Move made sure GWB avoided addressing the real issues and went out of his way to make Kerry look immoral because he is pro choice and supports stem cell research. Why shouldn’t gay marriage be legalized in all states? There is supposed to be a seperation of the church and state, so the Bible should not be taken into account when deciding whether or not homosexuals should marry. They should have the same rights as every other law abiding US citizen.</p>

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<p>A referendum in the form of a constitutional amendment defining marriage as between one man and one woman was on the ballot in Ohio in November 2004. Both Ken Blackwell (the GOP Secretary of State) and the Chair of the Ohio Democratic Party acknowledged that that referendum substantially increased turnout among religious and rural voters and those voters went overwhelmingly for Bush, putting a state that Kerry and the Democrats worked hard and thought they had in the Republican column. Incidentally, the amendment won big, as it has in every state in which there has been a vote on the matter.</p>

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<p>if you’re against gay marriage, you’re on the losing side. history is against you. traditional values are crumbling, even the religious right acknowledges this, and new values are replacing them.</p>

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<p>“if you’re against gay marriage, you’re on the losing side. history is against you. traditional values are crumbling, even the religious right acknowledges this, and new values are replacing them.”</p>

<p>and that is what is probably wrong with this world–not gay marriage, but new values replacing old values. i don’t even want to know what the world is going to be like in 20 years. gay’s can’t get married in a catholic church IMO, and courts etc. can’t allow them to. If homosexuals want to get married they should make a gay church, because it goes against the Vatican’s beliefs. If you do it in a church it is undermining a sacred bond between a man and a woman and corrupts it.</p>

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<p>^^What’s wrong with change? The world needs change in order to improve itself.</p>

<p>Would you like to still live like cavemen since you’re opposed to change? Would you like to try to survive in a bacteria/virus infested environment without any vaccines or modern medicine?</p>

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<p>would you like it if there were still racial segregation??!!! Whyare consrvatives so opposed to change. We need to to progress. The BIBLE SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN INTO account when making laws. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state. Not everyone is christian. Someone please tell me why gays shouldn’t marry without referencing their faith or the Bible or God. Please and thanks.</p>

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<p>Because marriage has to do with people’s faith and God and also I don’t care if they get married as long as its not in a Catholic church.
Because this world is turning into a sick, violent place. I love change, but we shouldn’t scrap religious beliefs for the sake of change.</p>

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<p>^^The world has always been a “sick and violent place.”</p>

<p>When we were still cavemen, we had to fight each other and wild animals for survival.</p>

<p>When we were Barbarians in an age of anarchy, people ran loose and abused their freedom by plundering, killing, pillaging, and people wanted this to stop so they erected a government to protect them etc.</p>

<p>When we were ruled by Kings, we fought other humans because they worshipped a different God, or because they worshipped the same God in a different way</p>

<p>As we shifted into the land of the free and equal, we enslaved another human because his skin was darker than ours. And when he rebelled, we whipped him.</p>

<p>When the black man became free, we still limited his freedom through segregation and discrimination… the latter of which still exists today, but more subtle. This time, when the black man rebelled, we lynched him.</p>

<p>We developed Nuclear weapons to protect ourselves against the Soviets, but now those same weapons that we built to protect ourselves are threatening our safety.</p>

<p>Humans also developed the ability to produce modern medicine and vaccines, but that same technology has also spawned dangerous bioweapons.</p>

<p>I can come up with many more examples.</p>

<p>Face it Willmingtonwave… the world has always been a sick and violent place.</p>

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I guess this is where the confusion comes in. From my understanding, gay people are not asking the Catholic church (or any religious church)to recognize their relationships, rather they are asking the government to recognize them. In Canada, I believe the law specifically states that religious groups have the right to refuse to marry a gay couple, but the provincial government can not refuse to marry or recognize the couple.</p>

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<p>“Someone please tell me why gays shouldn’t marry without referencing their faith or the Bible or God. Please and thanks.”</p>

<p>Because to do so may offend the moral sensibilities of the majority of the American people. Which, by the way, is the same reason we outlaw bigamy.</p>

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<p>No way, ruining the moral fabric of our society. Look at Europe at Canada, so secular, so sad, smoking, drinking, partying, loose sex everywhere. It also goes on here, but its worse overseas. I’m not saying everyone must be uber-religious, but man, I believe that most people need to have some morals, and religion is good for a society’s morals, if its peaceful.</p>

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<p>As well as beastiality, pedophilia, and polygamy. Its just not right.</p>

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<p>“Someone please tell me why gays shouldn’t marry without referencing their faith or the Bible or God. Please and thanks.”</p>

<p>marriage is traditionally a church institution defined by the church as a union between a man and a woman. when the church lost political sway the government took the perogative to run marriage through the church. marriage is and has been associated with the church, so for the government to change the definition of marriage without their consent could impede on their ability to operate in america(religious freedom…)(offending the moral sensibilities of a vast majority of religious people)</p>

<p>i may have skirted the line of ‘referencing your faith’, but im agnostic and have never been in a church so i think its fine</p>

<p>i i think someone may have suggested something similar to this(i only skimmed the last page) i think the best solution would be church marriage means nothing but is called marriage while the government offers a civil union that give the legal benefits to everyone.</p>

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<p>Well, first, you can absolutely have morals without having a religious domination. Also, I don’t see how you can compare bigamy and polygamy with gay marriage. Are you kidding me? Gay marriage is not immoral, and I do not see how it is at all hurtful to society. It is two consenting, monogomous adults deciding that they want to wed. If it grosses you to see two girls or two guys together, do not look. It’s really none of your business anyway. Why is gay marriage immoral? They did not choose to be homosexual, not that it is a bad thing, and why should they be deprived of a right that everyone else has in America. There is supposed to be freedom in the United States, isn;t there. I have no prejudices against anyone, and that includes homosexuals, and I think they have the right to be happy, live their lives as they so choose, and not be judged for being who they are because others who are closeminded will not open their hearts and accept them because they are afraid of change. Gay marriage DOES NOT equal the demoralization of America.</p>

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<p>lol datutrle, you are so young, so much to learn…</p>

<p>do u really think europe/canada is much more morally delinquent than us in america? it’s about the same, if not worse here. most likely ur going to a sheltered school and ur life is sheltered but really step outside and see.</p>

<p>morals… ur morals aint my morals. if u got the majority of the country and some weapons, sure you can enfroce them. otherwise, keep to urself. and if u wanna start usin force, damn straight we’re gona fight back against you crazy conservative bible thumpers. (hence i am for gun ownership rights… my main conservative stance)</p>

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<p>Both sides will never agree, so its pointless to continue. Being raised in a conservative household, one of my beliefs is that homosexuality is wrong. Its simply my opinion, and I base it off of my religious beliefs and “family” values. However, I don’t discriminate against homosexuals, I just don’t support homosexuality and gay marriage. If you support it, fine, I don’t care, but I personally don’t.</p>

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<p>DaTurtle, do you go to Stanford or something? I just noticed your location…</p>

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<p>I live right near Stanford (5 min bike ride), and its my dream school, LOL.</p>

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<p>well its kinda liberal for u</p>