SVA-First Impressions

<p>First Impressions of SVA</p>

<p>My daughter started her freshman year at the School of Visual Arts (SVA) NYC approximately three weeks ago. These are my first impressions as culled from her.</p>

<p>Dorm Move-in Day:</p>

<p>Despite an assigned time range, this was still pretty hectic. We arrived at the first possible moment of our assigned time and were given a number (160). We literally dumped all of her belongings on the side-walk. As we did this, they were calling out for number 62. Approximately 45 minutes later they were on 67. My D was given the option of carrying her belonging up the stairs one box at a time while I stayed with the rest of the items. She was able to do this because she was on the 2nd floor of a 22 story. She jumped at the chance and about an hour later, we were putting the last of it in her room. The dorm (New Residence) is located next to the main SVA building. On the first floor of the dorm is the Student Center. The dorm is fairly new, about 3 years old. Security guards check everyone in and there are cameras everywhere. Also, a state of the art fire detection and alarm system. The rooms are doubles and part of a larger suite with a full kitchen including built-in microwave and dishwasher. The 4 person suites have one bathroom and the six person suites have two. The dorm is neither funky nor charming, but is a perfectly serviceable first year dorm. There is an RA in the suite next to hers who has already provided assistance on an illness and an internet connectivity issue. Internet and cable TV come with each room.</p>

<p>Orientation Week:</p>

<p>Orientation was actually a bit more than a week. At first this seemed to be overkill to me, but it really takes that long to acclimate to NYC. A freshman welcome meeting, department overview meetings, financial workshop, honors program intro, and a writing exam were among the required meetings she attended. In addition, there was an optional community service day, student activity intro sessions, and tours through the neighborhood and other SVA buildings. There were SVA sponsored activities in the evening and something they called “On the Town” which provided new students with free tickets to movies, Broadway plays, and museums. </p>

<p>Classes:</p>

<p>There is not one foundation year for all first year students. The classes are scheduled in blocks by major. There are foundation classes, but they will vary by major. The photo majors will not spend the first year in drawing, painting, and 3-D classes. This works great for students who know what they want to do. My daughter is a fine arts major and her first year is the same as a typical foundation year at most art schools. The graphic design majors have the same first year classes. If she wanted to change her major to GD she’d be fine, but only GD. She was invited into the honors program which is a new program at SVA in its second year. The honors program is slightly different than the other blocks. She has 3 studio art classes and each meets once a week for six hours and homework is given. She has four academic courses. They each meet once a week as well. This is a total of 15 credits. She loves her classes and feels quite challenged. She is especially impressed by the fact that what is touched upon in one class is explored in depth in another class and then given as an assignment in an art class. At some point during the year, the honors students will travel to Europe as a group. Last year’s trip was to Prague. Each of her teachers spoke about textbook costs as a problem and the students were told that an effort was made to keep cost down as much as possible. Her total semester cost for books was $200. Studio art classes are about a 20 minute walk across town from the dorms, but there is a free shuttle bus. I believe most computer art and film classes are near the dorms.</p>

<p>Social Life:</p>

<p>Lots of partying. My D says they work really hard during the week, but party on weekends. She has met tons of people and made many new friends in all majors.</p>

<p>I would love an indepth review as she finishes the semester and the year.</p>

<p>Below is a link to a very interesting article about Christopher Cyphers, SVA’a provost. It explains in fairly good detail the new honors program and the philosophy behind it. </p>

<p>“Art doesn’t come from an empty head,” he says. “They can learn technical skills and make something that looks good, but if artists lack an awareness of the world around them their work will never be powerful.” Christopher Cyphers</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.hsc.edu/alumni/profiles/cyphers88.php[/url]”>http://www.hsc.edu/alumni/profiles/cyphers88.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Wondering how much your daughter spends per week at SVA…it has to be way more than going to a lac outside nyc, no? Does she fond the lack of campus to be a problem?</p>

<p>Modiam,</p>

<p>My daughter has an allowance of $100 a week. She had been approved for workstudy, but the workstudy jobs are more in line with the advertising and graphic design major’s qualification than those of a fine arts major and we wanted her to adjust to school before throwing a job into the mix. She has found $100 to be enough, but tight. There is a market nearby where she purchases most of her food. Also, around the corner there is a bagel store where you can get tea and a buttered bagel for under two bucks. Lunch is usually a slice of pizza in between classes. The biggest savings is that she kicked her Starbuck’s coffee addiction. That leaves her with about $40 for transportation and entertainment.</p>

<p>As far as the campus is concerned, it was never a requirement of hers. For high school she attended an arts boarding school and though she was a day student, she has already had what is typical of a four year “college” campus experience. There is a cafeteria, but it is expensive and there is so much available in the Gramercy and Chelsea neigborhoods that my daughter reports she has never eaten in the cafeteria. There is a new campus center at SVA on the first floor of her dorm. There are scheduled events throughout the week, but she has never attended them. She works very hard during the week with 24 hours of scheduled class and significant homework for each of her seven courses. She has many friends at different colleges throughout the city and weekends usually mean going down to the Village and hanging out with friends at a club or bar. As an aside to that last comment there appears to be absolutely no problem with underage students getting served in NYC, but I appreciate her honesty. </p>

<p>Going to school in NYC is not for everyone. I think you need to be pretty independent, social, and street-wise. There is very little hand-holding and anything you need will come only from your own efforts.</p>

<p>I have just returned from a weekend visit with my daughter at SVA and thought perhaps I would take the time to update impressions.</p>

<p>For academics, please refer to my post in the thread about Art Schools with Strong Liberal Arts.</p>

<p>Art Classes: My daughter has had nothing but good things to say about her teachers. They are all excellent and appear to her to be quite committed. Despite each studio course being six hours in length, classes often go beyond that time period and continue offsite to museum, galleries, and other sites in the city. She doesn’t feel there is as much commitment to excellence among the students. I think that this is because foundation classes will often have variety of majors many of whom see no reason for drawing, painting, and sculpture classes in much the same way she has no use for her digital media course this semester.</p>

<p>Facilities: This is one of her biggest complaints. The logistics are somewhat of a nightmare. Her dorm is a 20-25 minute walk from the classroom building. You cannot take the subway across town and taking the bus would be more time consuming then walking. There are no lockers available nor is there private or even semi-private studio space for freshman. As a result all materials, canvases, etc. get lugged across town. It is winter in NYC and it has been very rainy this year. When not rainy, it is cold. She is bundled up for her long walk and then gets to the studio where the it is often too hot. The buildings are old and lack in any modern amenities. </p>

<p>Dorms: The are three dorms. The one where most freshman are housed is fairly new, but completely lacking in charm. The are six to a suite (three doubles), a small common room with a table for four, a kitchen, and two bathrooms. There are no quiet study rooms or studios in the dorm. I think for $10,300 for the dorm there should be more recognition of the special requirements of art students. </p>

<p>Campus: There is none. Just buildings on city streets.</p>

<p>Cafeteria: There are a couple of cafes in the main administrative building and the main classroom building, but they are expensive and mostly, I believe, where commuters eat. She will grab a bagel or slice of pizza from local restuarants and cooks her own dinner back at the dorm.</p>

<p>School Spirit: Again, there is not much in the way school spirit. That, however, was never on the list of things my daughter was looking for anyway.</p>

<p>Hand-holding: Forget about the warm fuzzies. You are on your own and you will need to be a very independent kind of person or you will need to become one quickly. </p>

<p>She has mentioned transferring, but most of what she is looking for probably doesn’t exist in one school and she has done nothing about applying to other schools. Her ideal school would probably be RISD with all of her academic classess taken at Brown, but physically located on the upper westside of NYC.</p>

<p>Unsoccer-mom, your report was interesting. This is similar to my observations when I saw SVA: Good school ,but no campus, and housing that is far away from classrooms. It is for these same reasons that my daughter didn’t apply to SVA.It is a very good school though.</p>

<p>If your daughter is interested in graphic design and wants to transfer, she should consider RISD, Syracuse University, and Rochester Institute of Technology. Pratt Institute would be a good choice too. One problem, however, is that all of these schools are more expensive.</p>

<p>Thanks Taxguy, actually her major is fine arts. She hates the graphic design and advertising aspect of SVA and considers her required digital media course this semster to be pure torture. For fine arts, she probably should have given more serious consideration to MICA and SAIC. But, she could not see herself in Baltimore and we felt Chicago was too far away. I think that the main point is there is no such thing as a perfect school and that one must balance the plusses and minuses in order to make the correct choice.</p>

<p>Unsoccer-mom, did you check out Pratt Institute, which does have a campus and nearby student housing?</p>

<p>I think she was so focused on a Manhattan location that she would not consider Pratt.</p>

<p>UnsoccerMom,</p>

<p>My D is a high school senior planning to do fine arts next year. MICA is currently her top choice and SAIC is also on the list. She has also applied to Cooper Union (hometest in progress) and CMU. She is waiting to hear regarding merit aid from each based on portfolio, but SAIC has already offered her $16K over four years based on academics.</p>

<p>She looked at RISD but wanted to be a generalist longer than they like, since you must declare a specialty in the 2nd half of freshman year.</p>

<p>She has friends at each school she applied to. Her friend, a freshman at SAIC, was less than complementary about the quality of work in the foundation program there. Her friends at the other schools are all satisifed,especially a senior in the painting program at MICA. </p>

<p>As you said, there is no perfect school. CMU has a campus and great academics but is $$$; MICA could be in a nicer location; CU is free tution but could use an actual campus and SAIC, while it is in a great location, could be more selective.</p>

<p>It’s all about trade offs…</p>

<p>M&sdad notes, “It’s all about trade offs”</p>

<p>Response: Exactly: Every school that my daughter considered has its pros and cons</p>

<ol>
<li><p>RISD is a stand alone art school,which she really doesn’t want,but it is considered the “Harvard” among art schools and has that nice Brown Connection. It probably also has strong connections with employers.</p></li>
<li><p>SVA is very reasonable and supposedly has high quality instruction,but has no campus and far walk from dorms and no student spirit.</p></li>
<li><p>Pratt has great reputation and a campus. However, it is a stand alone art school with a number of buildings in extreme disrepair.</p></li>
<li><p>Syracuse University has a strong art reputation. They also have a lot of different majors to choose from in art.They also have very good school spirit and good sports teams.
The downside is that they are expensive.Even worse,design kids are going to be bused to downtown Syracuse, albeit a nice, funky area of Syracuse. Thus, she won’t be that much a part of the student life. In addition, my daughter didn’t feel that safe there when she attended the pre-college program. Weather can be very cold. Finally, they have a fairly high liberal arts requirement.</p></li>
<li><p>RIT has supposedly a strong program with a very decent new media program that my daughter really liked, but on- campus housing can be a problem in sophomore year and thereafter, which is Dependant on a lottery! In addition, there is a lot of liberal arts and art history courses required for design. Also, like Syracuse, it is VERY cold.</p></li>
<li><p>Cincinnati DAAP school has a very strong reputation and is very reasonably priced. They even have strong coop program and have strong school spirit with decent teams. The downside is that the coops can be in areas that are unsafe for my daughter at a young age. Kids have to grow up fast at that school. Aslo, I don’t think that Cincinnati is that safe a place to be in.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>In addition, there is no portfolio requirement, which means that the foundation courses may not be that tough, and consequently, may not be that challenging for my daughter. Finally, the arts and science school there is rather mediocre; thus, her liberal arts education may suffer.</p>

<p>7.MICA has a very strong reputation,but we didn’t like the area of Baltimore where it is located. In addition, it is a stand alone art school</p>

<ol>
<li>CMU: Fabulous school with great reputation and great academics. However, it isn’t as new media oriented as we wanted, and it is one of the most expensive schools in the US. Although they are known to give both merit and need based aid, we won’t get anything.Thus, I would get the “pleasure” of subsidizing other students. GRRR</li>
</ol>

<p>As you can see, there are pros and cons to all of these schools, which is driving me CRAZY.</p>

<p>Lest I leave the wrong impression, I think it is likely that my daughter will not transfer. In the interest of fairness, I gave what I believe to be an accurate assesment of SVA. That said, however, my daughter is not the least bit interested in a campus, school spirit, or dorm life. None of those were factors in her decision to go to SVA and are, in her opinion, a factor in choosing not to go to a given school. I mention those because they are likely of interest to others. She is doing well, received SVA’s highest merit award, and enjoys all of her classes and teachers except for the required foundation digital media class. She just wants to live in an apartment in either the East Village or the Upper Westside, commute to classes via the subway, and have a life that is less focused on college and more a part of the real world. I think she will likely continue at SVA, but move out of the dorms and take steps to move her horizons into the broader NYC life.</p>

<p>Just curious : What exactly is the definition of “school spirirt” ? Is it like pep rallies or say a collabrative community enviroment ?</p>

<p>artschoolmom, you are asking a good question. To me, at least, school spirit involves the issue of “how well a school is liked by the students for non-academic factors.”</p>

<p>Generally, strong sports teams help develop school spirit. Having a lot of intramural sports also helps this spirit. Having a lot of community events such as carnivals, shows, competitions etc. helps develop this spirit.</p>

<p>I think it is an interesting question and I think that Taxguy is correct when he ties school spirit to sports; something not found in abundance in freestanding artschools. I, also, think that is a sense of community; which can be found in an art school environment. I think that it is more likely to occur where there is a smaller school population; a common foundation program; and identifiable, unified physical spaces. I think that RISD and Cooper-Union are two art schools with more of a sense of school spirit. I think that artists tend to be more individualistic and less likely to want to become part of a larger whole and art schools merely reflect that inherent tendency.</p>

<p>I wonder if that is why RISD has just a high retention rate ?</p>

<p>I mean such a high retention rate</p>

<p>The retention rate for SVA from freshman to sophomore year is 89%. Which is not that bad. I could only find the six-year graduation rate for RISD which at 90% is actually amazing. While I think that school spirit might have some impact on the freshman to sophomore rentention rate, I think it likely that other factors are at work on the graduation rate. I think that RISD is somewhat self-selected toward more affluent students and that the students with greater financial means are more likely to afford to graduate in a timely manner. One of the things which as bothered my daughter about SVA is the emphasis that is placed on being able to make a living as an artist after graduation. I wonder if the pounding they take on that aspect probabably causes a higher drop-out rate down the road when some students realize that they don’t want an artist’s life.</p>

<p>//I think it is an interesting question and I think that Taxguy is correct when he ties school spirit to sports; something not found in abundance in freestanding artschools.//</p>

<p>The Savannah College of Art and Design has many sports teams. Cazzie Russell ex NBA All0Star is the coach of the basketball team. Luis Tiant, ex MLB All-Star was the baseball coach for a while. </p>

<p>Check out how much they have to offer. I think some teams have done very well in division III.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.scadathletics.com/programs/index.html[/url]”>http://www.scadathletics.com/programs/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>But I don’t think the students who didn’t play sports cared about the sports teams at the college - at least when I attended.</p>