<p>No comments about the Mitchell Report? What do you all think? Will Selig take serious action, will Clemens still get into the Hall of Fame? Come on people!</p>
<p>My S’s away message reads (and this is a rough approximation):</p>
<p>“Take that, you steroid-sucking troglodyte! Mike Piazza wins in the end!”</p>
<p>Not that we hold grudges…</p>
<p>"“Take that, you steroid-sucking troglodyte! Mike Piazza wins in the end!”</p>
<p>Not that we hold grudges…"</p>
<p>ahahahahah!! That is priceless. Oh my!</p>
<p>I am having difficulty with the “So What!” aspect of this case.</p>
<p>Taking steroids is bad and illegal, but it is the choice of the person. There are no long term physical consequences to an adult male taking steroids. To the extent steroids benefit a player, the consequences are a competitive disadvantage to the other players not using steroids. Competition among players is primarily a concern of the baseball league and not of congress. </p>
<p>If you argue that using steroids sets a bad example for young players, I don’t see this as a valid argument. Most of the players were denying using steroids and saying they would never do such a horrible thing.</p>
<p>What I have a problem with is congress calling individual players to appear before them in committe and then forcing them to answer under oath whether they have taken steroids. The player must either plead the fifth amendment which is the same as saying I take steroids or lie. In either case, the player is screwed. The behavior of congress is much like past investigations into whether someone was a member of the communist party. Merely being called to testify meant you were a communist.</p>
<p>The whole game went down the tubes for me when the O’Malleys sold out. Who cares now?</p>
<p>Why not have a steroid Hall of Fame? </p>
<p>“The player must either plead the fifth amendment which is the same as saying I take steroids or lie.”</p>
<p>If they took steroids before December 2002, the statute of limitations has run out, so the fifth amendment does not protect them against self-incrimination.</p>
<p>I have a question about using steroids in the injury recovery process. I myself have used physician prescribed steroids after surgery and they greatly enhanced my recovery.</p>
<p>Can an athlete do the same?</p>
<p>oh, yes, when people deny they use kids sure believe that becuase kids are so naive</p>
<p>I don’t think this warrants congressional hearings, but it is ugly, and it ISN"T just about the adult players, that is absurd</p>
<p>Baseball is a small world, and getting recruited for college, the minors and the big leagues are the dreams of little boys, and as they hit HS they see, luck at that change in body, ook at the $ he is getting</p>
<p>gee, and if there isn’t any consequences, lets me get some juice</p>
<p>yeah, sure, cheating isn’t a bad example, drugging yourself up isn’t a bad example</p>
<p>but guess the LYING is not a bad example either</p>
<p>Were there a lot of Yankee (or ex-Yankee) players on the list? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>I’m sure the list was biased in by the virtue of it was limited to the trails that could be followed by people willing to talk. The fact that the trainer used by Clemens in Toronto and Clemmens/Pettite in NY was willing to talk doesn’t mean that other players on other teams that weren’t quite so conspicuously present on the report are by any means clean. I suspect that this report was just the tip of the iceberg.</p>
<p>So I am confused about supplements-
are some legal in some sports but illegal in others?
Do players really always know what they are being given or do they have a " I won’t ask" attitude?
Do the fans care? we might say we don’t want to see steroid use, but who do we pay to see?</p>
<p>And razorsharp, if it wasn’t wrong, why lie? </p>
<p>I could absolutely care less about baseball, but as our national pasttime, being filled with cheaters, it just sad</p>
<p>national pasttime,</p>
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;)</p>
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You are misconstruing my comment (or I wasn’t clear). It is a matter of degree. It is always wrong to lie, the question is what are the consequences. I think this a baseball league problem – let them figure it out amongest themselves. I just don’t think this is something to worry about.</p>
<p>BTW, CGM, weren’t you one of the crew saying it was no big deal that Clinton lied under oath about Monica because it was a lie about sex? Maybe I confused you with some of the others. Baseball players are not elected officials. If it is not a big deal for an elected official, how can it be a big deal for someone who plays a game?</p>
<p>Clinton’s Big Lie had nothing to do with Monica. And, frankly, the nation would have been better off had he been spending more “quality time” with her rather than with George Tenet.</p>
<p>Baseball used to be the one sport that everyone could play at some level. Kids in my generation were always playing “pick-up” games. Won’t go into all the reasons this is no longer true.</p>
<p>It was also the one sport where a more-or-less average person could, through hard work, make it as a professional. Football is played by gladiators and basketball is played by giants but baseball, that was played by real people.</p>
<p>The revivial of baseball after the 1994 strike was due in large part to the sport’s shift to power. Power hitters vs. power pitchers. This empahsis just lends itself to increased steriod and HGH use. What this has done is to move it out of the reach of what humans are really capable of on their own.</p>
<p>So for me, I don’t care so much whether these things are legal or not. It’s how it has changed the game and what it means to succeed.</p>
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<p>Absolutely true! Fans had left baseball by the droves after the strike. It was the McGwire/Sosa chase after the Maris homerun record that brought fans back to the game. Doubt now that McGwire (or Sosa?) will get into the Hall of Fame. Both were used and tossed out when no longer needed.</p>
<p>My question: a lot of the players openly used HGH–left a trail of checks and had the stuff delivered to the clubhouse by the mail. Obviously wouldn’t have done the same thing with steroids. Was HGH considered OK at some point in time–as a non-steroid?</p>
<p>After the release of Mitchell’s report, I think the happiest player has got to be Barry Bonds. ;)</p>
<p>What I find interesting is all the huffing and puffing going on, and how ‘outraged’ the named players are. In a similar vein, I read an article yesterday about the athlete who may be the recipient of Marion Jones’ returned Olympic medals from the Sydney games. This woman was involved in a drug scandal of her own at the Athens games and was suspended for two years!</p>