<p>Tebow was working on his throwing skills recently privately with Vinnie Testaverde in Tampa. Vinnie says throwing isn’t Tebow’s problem, Vinnie said it was Tebow’s footwork that is off and that it can be corrected. Testaverde played as starting qb under Coach Bill Belichick with Browns. The NFL is a tight community and things happen fast…maybe Belichick will hire Tebow as a project for future. </p>
<p>I compared Denver in Tebow’s year to last year’s. I obviously knew he replaced Kyle Orton, and knew Tebow’s record. I did not write that Tebow was 8-8. Read more critically before you post. ;)</p>
<p>I can’t imagine what position the Pats would consider for Tebow. You certainly aren’t going to take Tom Brady off the field for Tebow to play QB. And, it’s laughable to think he’d be running any of the plays that Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez run. The Pats don’t usually carry a fullback on the roster – they use a back up tackle when they need an extra road grader for blocking on the goal line. That’s true for most NFL teams in an era when the “specialty” back is most likely a 5’8" speedster 3rd down back. I just don’t see a postion for Tebow.</p>
<p>And, you have the problem the Jets faced. All those wacky Tebow fans start chanting for Tebow whenever things go bad for the starting QB. Who needs that kind of distraction from the backup QB.</p>
<p>Xiggi, you said the Tebow team went 8-8. That wasn’t a critical reading issue. You can’t say a person who never entered the game gets any credit/blame. The only reason you even mention 8-8 is to make Tebow look worse than he was be using misleading statistics, otherwise you wouldn’t have even said it. You could have said the 2011 Broncos went 8-8. To say otherwise is to imply something that isn’t true.</p>
<p>But Gronk and Hernandez can’t stay on the field. The Pats carry three or four TEs, he might be an upgrade over the current 3rd or 4th TE. Tebow is pretty big, 6’ 3" and around 240-245. That’s Hernandez’ size, and he has Hernandez’ speed.</p>
<p>Imagine him as a linebacker-sized slot receiver. He’s as fast and quick as Welker with much better jumping ability. Assuming he can catch of course.</p>
<p>McDaniels drafted him in Denver, Belichick is known to admire him. It could happen.</p>
<p>I really do not comprehend all the venom tossed at Tebow. I’m a football fan and I realize that the kid has glaring limitations as a quarterback, but does he deserve all this acrimony? All he did in New York was show up, keep up and shut up (which is more than can be said for malcontent Santonio Holmes, or even the loudmouth Coach Rex Ryan). He was a loyal soldier, even when it became obvious that the Jets management had no earthly idea how to use him and were clearly giving him the royal screw job. Talk about SNAFU!!! My guess is that if Tebow is willing to adapt to another position, he’ll remain in the NFL. Do know if he has the hands or the speed to be a Wes Welker, but some team needs a player with his desire and football know how.</p>
<p>By the way, Rex Ryan is just like his old man, the ego-maniacal coach Buddy Ryan; all bluster and no dang common sense.</p>
<p>When you create a media circus, you open yourself up to great distraction. Look how fast they jettisoned Randy Moss. Tebow can never be a Patriot. Welker became a distraction too, though that story has yet to be played out.</p>
<p>I don;t know much about football really. To me, it’s about a group of Martians in semi-human form trying to hurt each other. But it sure seemed to me that Tebow was a winner - he (and his coaches) found a way to win, when the other guy couldn’t. He has earned a real shot, I would think.</p>
<p>They jettisoned Moss because his skills had diminished and he publicly whined about his contract situation during the season.</p>
<p>Tebow never uttered a word of complaint that I recall about how he was treated with the Jets.</p>
<p>I don’t think there would be nearly the media circus if Tebow was on the Pats. Belichick barely tolerates, if not outright hates, the media, which is the complete opposite of Ryan. Have you ever listened to one of his mid-week media phone interviews? They are painful to listen to.</p>
<p>The Boston media is bad, but not nearly as bad as in New York. They might have to ban ESPN from the grounds, though. :D</p>
<p>Notrichenough, whenever I see a Belichek press conference, I keep looking for the aide whose holding the bottle of Pepto Bismol. Belichek’s expressions and mumbling always give me the impression that he’s trying to hold on and endure the press conference, but ready to grab the Pepto at any moment.</p>
<p>Dude, you really need to understand what critical reading means. First, look at the post I answered to. Then look at the first paragraph I wrote. Hint? Focus on the part with …you have to look at the Denver team … That is what introduces the discussion about the 2011 versus the 2012 TEAMS in those years. The Broncos went 8-8. Not Tebow. </p>
<p>Finally, it is the writer who decides what he wants to say. Arguing that what I meant is incorrect is plainly ridiculous.</p>
<p>Tebow won’t be on the Patriots. Not going to happen.</p>
<p>The venom about Tebow, which I don’t share, is directly related to the hyping of him by religious believers who see him as a sort of savior in cleats and pads. Boston sports radio had segments around the Denver playoff games talking about songs of Tebow praise. “All he does win” and then a bunch with references to Jesus. I don’t remember the numbers but they were huge. It was startling. Way out of proportion with reality, more a kind of religious ferver than anything having to do with football. (The reality was offensive ineptness for 3+ quarters, terrific defense, and just enough plays to win at the end.) So the blunt reality is that the more some people stick that in your face the more other people push back. </p>
<p>Watching Tebow play … not an NFL QB. Weird throwing motion - worse than Byron Leftwich’s long arm, more of a strange hitch combined with a long arm. Non-existent footwork for the pro level, meaning he never set up consistently, never showed the ability to take a snap and drop back in a repetitive motion and set into a scanning and then throwing motion. Looked more like a playground guy: it works sometimes just like the guy with the weird shooting motion who sometimes gets hot and you think “wow” but then he’s terrible the next 8 times.</p>
<p>Football fans are also bothered by the continual references to “coaching”, with the implication that he only needs to be coached to change his motion. This is insulting to football. Tebow has been a star since he was a kid. He played under Urban Meyer at FL, one of the best college coaches of this generation. He was drafted by Josh McDaniels, who worked with Tom Brady - was his QB coach. He played under John Fox, who is one of the best NFL coaches - took Carolina to the Super Bowl. He’s had dozens of coaches. But it’s always, “He’s a coachable young man …” He may be a terrific guy. I don’t know him. But he’s not particularly coachable about throwing the football because he’s had terrific coaches at every level, probably back into high school when he was a star there. This is how he throws. It isn’t a “coaching problem” or “coaching failure”. The more people say this the more it makes football fans mad. I would bet a million dollars that he’s been shown proper technique ten thousand times. If you’ve made it this far to age 25 and don’t have it right, you aren’t going to get it right.</p>
<p>Lergmom “If you’ve made it this far to age 25 and don’t have it right, you aren’t going to get it right”</p>
<p>You do realize you’re talking Heisman Trophy winner and first round draft pick at one time don’t you? If this was your kid he’d be on the bragging page of CC for sure. And deserves to be. But you already stated you don’t share in the venom. You say he doesn’t throw the ball “right”. Fair enough. A lot will agree with you. And some not.
But I don’t think the hype was all about some zealot religious believers (although the Denver streak probably added a few!) although Boston TV is probably slanted that way. I think the hype is/was about the intangible quality of an upstanding guy as the leader of the team which he continues to be. And there don’t seem to be many of those around in the NFL. Nobody can put a number on that and it frustrates them. Better to go back to statistics than admit that leadership is a quality.</p>
<p>Yes, and the Heisman is one of the poorest references possible, as the selections are simple exercises of abject cronyism which deliver just a few players who make the transition to the NFL with great success. Same for first round draft picks. For every Andrew Luck --or RGIII- there are a number of Vince Youngs (who should have won the Heisman) who was a man among boys and gave one of the best QB performance ever at a Rose Bowl. And you could look at the winningest QB (McCoy) and see how his career turned out. Or look at all those great names that came out of the State of Florida (Toretta, Wuerffel, Ward, Weinke) and others such as Ron Dayne and Troy Smith. Nuff said! </p>
<p>And for every Heisman and first draft choice, there is someone who made it despite the college accolades a la Tom Brady.</p>
<p>The bottom line? Tebow was shipped by Elway to New York, where he could not beat another overhyped and untalented USC prodigy (or even McElroy), and … released after a miserable season with 8 passes and 32 rushes for 102 yards --and not a single TD. It seems that 32 teams in NFL happen to agree that Tebow has no QB future and is not worth a smallish investment. He cleared waivers and is a free agent. That is what happens to huge busts.</p>
<p>Released AFTER teams were full. But I’m sure Tebow has better things ahead of him than the NFL. And Elway couldn’t stand the competition–too much ego.</p>
<p>And what does that tell you about respect and trade value around the league?</p>
<p>Well, he can show how wrong we, the vitriol throwers, are about him. He will have opportunities to land a free agent spot somewhere and compete with tons of undrafted players and other busts. Would be nice to see him trying his luck in New Orleans as they can use another Saint. </p>
<p>He does have indeed better things to do than trying to be the player he never was. As I wrote earlier, selling chicken, preaching, or coaching a high school would fit him better. That or some reality TV show to please his adoring fanboys. One can wish him all the luck, and still find him too limited and too polarizing for the NFL.</p>
<p>Well, I guess it means respect and trade value are nil in the league. And not soon to change since they have such a rabid and short sighted fan base.</p>
<p>Huh? Cause Orakpo got hurt? Don’t get it. But I’m sure you’ll tell me all about it!
disclaimer xiggi–since this can’t go on much longer–I don’t even LIKE football–I just love Tebow and always have. I’ve actually watched games and became a fan because of him and it’s not any religious anything in the least. I just enjoyed watching a team player who wasn’t being arrested for dog fighting, stealing, bar brawling, adultery, you name it. Someone who has never brought down those around him but led by example. Lots to learn there. And he’s had a lot of success even though you deny it. And a lot of fans of his (and potential money) follow him. Just saying!</p>