<p>Brady’s Answered Prayers:</p>
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<li>7 Pro Bowls</li>
<li>4 AFC Championships</li>
<li>3 Super Bowl Titles</li>
<li>2 MVPs</li>
<li>2 Super Bowl MVPs</li>
<li>1 First ballot Hall of Fame Football Career</li>
<li>1 First ballot Hall of Fame Bachelor Career</li>
<li>1 Super model wife</li>
<li>0 Castrations</li>
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<p>While certainly not a biblical scholar, I think I see where God is going with this.</p>
<p>Stats you forgot to post that Brady is a kept man. Giselle out earns him significantly.</p>
<p>That too, Tom. We all should (and mostly do) aspire to lead a Bradyist life.</p>
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<p>Interesting take on a prayer that reminds me to stay focused, remember all I’ve learned and practiced, and graciously accept defeat if someone else (or another team) is more athletic, practiced, whatever. I’ll have to let my priest know he is teaching us blasphemous prayer.</p>
<p>I guess I shouldn’t pray to God to remember a departed loved one in HIS heavenly kingdom, either. Or, I shouldn’t pray for God to grant me a safe journey when I travel. Or, I shouldn’t pray for God to watch over my children. Or, for God to help me be a more compassionate/more loving, etc. person. What exactly should I pray for? Seriously. If I’ve been offending God, then this may be the wake up call I need to get on the right track.</p>
<p>“parent1986, what if one of your son’s teammates doesn’t pray? Why would the coach assume that praying before a game is something that every kid wants to do?”</p>
<p>They all prayed and it was never called into question. If it was, you didn’t get played. And they were a winning team. I saw it as being part of a team and the military-like aspects of all teams - conform and follow orders.</p>
<p>[Promise</a> Keepers Men’s Ministry](<a href=“http://www.promisekeepers.org/]Promise”>http://www.promisekeepers.org/) This is from where our local tradition comes.</p>
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<p>In my opinion, that’s outrageous. I don’t know of any school that either I or my Ds attended in the U.S. that would have that policy. I guess some areas of the country do things differently.</p>
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<p>How would you know if it never happened? </p>
<p>That’s ridiculous though. If you want to pray that’s fine, but a public school coach should NOT be leading it. I played sports for nearly 15 years, including varsity sports, and my public school coach making us pray or leading us in prayer would not have been ok with me. Some of my teammates prayed and no one ever had a problem with that. </p>
<p>At my catholic school, obviously we were lead in prayer before games. That was obviously fine since it was a Catholic school.</p>
<p>We can argue forever, without resolution, about the mysteries of prayer and faith. But we can all agree, objectively, that Tom Brady prays better than Tim Tebow.</p>
<p>So if one doesn’t pray one won’t be trying their best? That tebow and his teammates don’t have it in their personalities to do their best just because it’s the right thing to do? They need intervention in order to succeed? If you pray no one would get hurt and someone did, was the praying in vain, or was it gods plan? And if so, were they praying for god to change the plan?</p>
<p>“In my opinion, that’s outrageous. I don’t know of any school that either I or my Ds attended in the U.S. that would have that policy. I guess some areas of the country do things differently.”</p>
<p>“How would you know if it never happened?”</p>
<p>It would never have been allowed where I grew up on the East Coast in a predominantly Jewish culture. My mother would also have been outraged. Both are public high schools.</p>
<p>Romanig, some things you just know.</p>
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<p>I am (Te)bowing out of this conversation. My takeaway from this thread is that prayer is a personal thing as is everyone’s relationship with God.</p>
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<p>If you believe prayer works in this way-- that when you pray for a safe journey, or for health for your children, it makes safety and health more likely-- then it follows that people who don’t pray, or don’t pray enough, are less likely to be healthy and less likely to have healthy children.</p>
<p>I can’t tell you how offensive this is. First of all, if prayer were effective in that way, we could prove it with statistical evidence, yet none is forthcoming. Secondly, it is such a mean-spirited belief. Dying baby? Guess you didn’t pray enough, sucker! Train crash? Get down on your knees, infidel, it’s all your fault. </p>
<p>And why does God get the credit for these football victories, but never the blame for defeats? I can’t believe the Lord would take sides in a football game.</p>
<p>correction to my post 125 and 130:</p>
<p>I’ve been informed that the praying was voluntary - that is how the school got around the controversy.</p>
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<p>You could volunteer to pray, or you alternatively you could volunteer not to play? Some choice.</p>
<p>So are you still convinced that they would have been benched if they chose not to pray? If so, that’s not voluntary.</p>
<p>The people indignantly huffing over how they don’t like “Tebow’s style of Christianity” are talking out of their butts. What they actually don’t like is the fact that his “celebration move” is to drop to his knee and thank God. As opposed to pretending to simulate a sexual act, which several other players have adopted as their signature move. Yeah, that’s way less offensive. But if you are truly interested in “Tebow’s style of Christianity” it doesn’t revolve around a celebration move or ritual. It revolves around this: [Believing</a> in Tim Tebow - ESPN](<a href=“http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7455943/believing-tim-tebow]Believing”>Believing in Tim Tebow - ESPN)</p>
<p>Do the stats for Tebow yesterday have as much meaning as those from last week?
136 yards …
John 1:36
"When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, ‘“Look, the Lamb of God!”’</p>
<p>Jesus passed him by?</p>
<p>Just pondering. :)</p>
<p>In a survey 43percent thought god was helping the broncos and tebow who apparently god talks to, win.</p>
<p>And if your journey doesnt go well, but your prayed, does one blame god? People pray for healthy babies, then they get a baby with issues, and say it was gods plan, or gift or something, so why pray in the first place? </p>
<p>I don’t know, but for me praying is a cop out, it’s not taking personal responsibility. But that’s me.</p>
<p>West, I really don’t think the small act of praying is what the majority of people have a problem with.</p>
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<p>I used to work with an ex-nun, who explained that praying is not for God, it’s for us. We pray to make ourselves better people, more Godly, more able to live our life as God wants us to. I never asked her, but I think she would be skeptical of the appropriateness of ostentatious public displays of prayer after success.</p>