Telluride Association Summer Program ( TASP ) 2008

<p>It’s pretentious in that it’s, to borrow from St. Hudson, “armchair” activism. I mean, I’m a debater (hell, my conflict essay was on debating and I’ve spent over $1000 on it this year) but the medium of communication…bothers me? I can’t explain it.</p>

<p>Anyway, on Iraq, from my (Sunni) viewpoint:</p>

<p>Both sects have been hostile towards each other for a long time. Even outside Iraq, there’s a lot of tension. For example, Iran is basically the only other predominantly Shiite nation, and it’s essentially ostracized by the rest of the Middle East. Despite fears of the “Arab world” having a bomb, the Iranians are an entirely different ethnic group and are further separated by religious sectarianism.</p>

<p>I think that it’s fundamental to understand that this is a deep-rooted issue. I don’t support the US invasion of Iraq, but the resulting quagmire isn’t entirely because of the US rather than being because of the fall of Saddam Hussein (subtle difference?). Despite being a brutal dictator, he acted as a stabilizing force within the nation, to a certain degree. As a Sunni, he guaranteed protection for the minority within that state. With his downfall and the establishment of a free democracy, there’s HUGE room for, as John Stuart Mill would put it, the “tyranny of the majority”. Now, no Sunni is going to want to be persecuted by his/her enemy, so there comes this whole issue of violence between groups.</p>

<p>The issue of partitioning is touchy, but probably the best course of action. The fundamental component of a nation is the right to self determination and the ability to govern as a group chooses. So in Iraq there are basically three distinct groups. Who are geographically separated. Who hate each other. Because a lot of the conflict today boils down to a power struggle, granting each group autonomy is really fulfilling their independent desires.</p>

<p>What’s tricky, again, about the subject is what the independent states, or even a democratized but unified Iraq would be like. It’s entirely plausible that through a perfectly fair election an extremist government would come to power (Palestine). This undermines the entire objective of the US occupation, and clearly they wouldn’t want this to happen.</p>

<p>The entire thing is tricky, but when I look to situations such as Sri Lanka where basically the EXACT SAME situation is playing out and has been doing so for decades, it’s clear that allowing Iraq to degenerate into civil war won’t provide solutions that act in the better interest of any nation.</p>

<p>fridge, how’s it goin? how’s the asia campaign goin’</p>

<p>i know this sounds harsh but - leave iraq alone. yes there will be civil war. yes there will be anarchy. yes there will be grief. but in iraq only, not the rest of the world. if the religious sects wanna have at it, lettem have at it. its gonna happen anyways.
Obviously, the U.S. can’t help, yet we’re getting blame from the rest of the world for something that isn’t even our problem</p>

<p>bye for now, be back soon tho’</p>

<p>D-Yu -
I’m working on it.
I’ve two recruits: my next-door neighbors, ages 5 and 7.</p>

<p>That’s irresponsible. A nation can’t CAUSE a mess by, y’know, INVADING A NATION ILLEGALLY and then back out when it gets difficult. Hell, I’m completely against the war in Iraq, but to just pull out is ridiculously stupid. </p>

<p>Take accountability for your actions and all that.</p>

<p>If you broke it, you gotta fix it.</p>

<p>You guys have a different interpretation of the “armchair” activist idea (oxymoronic, isn’t it?) than I do…I guess I’ve been raised all wrong :(</p>

<p>I’ve always considered myself (sadly) an armchair politician, meaning that I can continue attacking others from my middle-class comfort zone without actually getting my lazy butt up and doing something about it. It’s easy enough to preach about how we should run this country, and I can go on and on about how great of a policy-maker I could be, all while stretched out in front of the TV. But the real world is a totally different place…</p>

<p>Well, I mean, I’m not an activist. It’s just the fact that online discussions are longer and permanent that allows me to look back and realize how arrogant it sounds haha.</p>

<p>I think I know what you mean. It’s so easy for middleclass suburbanites to discuss endlessly what is wrong with the world (while having little first-hand knowledge). But only a few actually are willing to make personal sacrifices to do anything about it.</p>

<p>Is anybody else here or am I just talking to myself?</p>

<p>I’m still around :3</p>

<p>I just got back from eating an entire grapefruit.
So, illuminar…what up?</p>

<p>hello, i am here. i haven’t kept up with the thread … but… hi. :)</p>

<p>^LOL same :)</p>

<p>Ah! New recruits! Care to be a part of Winkism (remember, wink = love) or join my campaign to take over Asia?</p>

<p>Wink: Hi wink! How are you?
Wink: Oh, a bit frigid, but otherwise well. And you?
Wink: I am absolutely at my winkiest today.
Wink: I’m a bit tired. I think I should go to bed.
Wink: Okay. I’ll see you tomorrow. Good night.
Wink: Good night.</p>

<p>hi wink , and the papercrane and forizzle (if you’re still there)</p>

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<p>going on child soldiers huh?</p>

<p>guess no one’s here anymore… g’night</p>

<p>Panic</p>

<p>I saw you mentioned Libete a few pages back.</p>

<p>I just bought it off of Amazon. Woah, small world.</p>

<p>Good morning, y’all!</p>

<p>morning. what’s the debate gonna be today? gun control? stem cell research? helping the homeless?</p>

<p>c’mon, mls, don, and fridge. it’s at least 10:30 in your time zones by now - get your lazy beehinds outta bed!</p>

<p>I’m here, eating some frosted flakes. I’m all for gun control debate.</p>

<p>And to Illuminar, I know I’m ten hours late in responding; only in a perfect world do experts who know everything about what they’re talking about discuss their specific issues. Anyway, isn’t fun just to bounce ideas around?</p>