<p>Hindoo- I would like to challenge you on your comment “unless you want a third Bush term.” I find it to be, intellectually, the easy way out. The two are different people, with different records, from the same party. Their policies are sometimes in alignment, and sometimes, strikingly opposite. (i.e. Waterboarding, global warming, early on in the Iraq war, campaign finance, immigration, etc.). Hindoo, I have no problem with you disagreeing with the positions Sen. McCain takes, put please keep it to Sen. McCain and the facts. Thanks.</p>
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<p>spideygirl - have you stopped to consider for a moment that instead of executing a defense against Hillary, she was executing an offense of the choices she and her husband have made regarding how they want to rear their children despite the rigors of a demanding primary schedule. Think for a second what the pundits would be saying if Michelle had not (and she has spoken to the issue MANY times - even prior to his decision to run - of how important it is to raise their kids as normally as possible) addressed what they value in being sure at least one parent is around as often as possible. They would be accusing the Obamas of neglecting their children for the sake of their own self interests and political ambitions. </p>
<p>By the way, almost every politician I’ve ever heard run for office, who has small children, has at one point or another, addressed what they have to do to balance life with the responsibilities of having young children. If Bill hadn’t strayed, Michelle (and other politicians with young children) would still be talking about the challenges of a political campaign and how it impacts the family. So just because Bill did stray, does it mean that Michelle now has to avoid the topic? Doesn’t make sense.</p>
<p>If you go way back prior to Obama’s decision to run, he and Michelle both made it clear that a big part of their decision had to do with how a presidential campaign could impact the balanced life they want to provide their young daughters. It would be disengenuous for them to have made such a big deal about it back then, and not follow through. The way I see it, Michelle would have felt compelled to make those comment whether Obama’s opponent had a perfect marriage or not - it’s part of the Obama’s publicly-made promise to each other that they not let the campaign take over their lives so completely that their children were neglected.</p>
<p>azure-blue: “Hindoo- I would like to challenge you on your comment “unless you want a third Bush term.” I find it to be, intellectually, the easy way out. The two are different people, with different records, from the same party. Their policies are sometimes in alignment, and sometimes, strikingly opposite. (i.e. Waterboarding, global warming, early on in the Iraq war, campaign finance, immigration, etc.). Hindoo, I have no problem with you disagreeing with the positions Sen. McCain takes, put please keep it to Sen. McCain and the facts. Thanks.”</p>
<p>Good post. Unfortunately, the smearing of Sen. McCain has already begun. I frequently hear Sen. Obama using Bush and McCain in the same sentence over and over, to an extent which is really affected. Great strategy for brainwashing the lemmings. You’ll be seeing A LOT of that. Watch for it. </p>
<p>Strange that not too long ago McCain was struggling to get a lot of Republicans to vote for him because he is too much of a Democrat. To many Republicans, McCain and Clinton are the two Democrats running for president, and Obama is the one Socialist running.</p>
<p>There are no Republicans running for president. All of the conservatives are pretty much holding their noses in order to tolerate pulling the McCain lever.</p>
<p>To Obama supporters: DON’T DRINK THE KOOL-AID! Wasn’t Socialism already disproved in the Soviet experiment? Why go back and try it again?</p>
<p>“Hindoo- I would like to challenge you on your comment “unless you want a third Bush term.” I find it to be, intellectually, the easy way out. The two are different people, with different records, from the same party. Their policies are sometimes in alignment, and sometimes, strikingly opposite. (i.e. Waterboarding, global warming, early on in the Iraq war, campaign finance, immigration, etc.). Hindoo, I have no problem with you disagreeing with the positions Sen. McCain takes, put please keep it to Sen. McCain and the facts. Thanks.”</p>
<p>Azure_blue: You make a valid point. I don’t for a minute think that McCain would be the wall-to-wall disaster Bush has been. I believe he’s a decent man, who happens to hold some views I disagree strongly with. When I say he’d offer a “third Bush term,” I’m thinking of two areas that really worry me–Iraq and the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>spideygirl–Do you consider it “smearing” McCain to utter his name in the same sentence as Bush’s? And do you believe that the “smearing” of Obama has not yet started? Right-wing zealots on CC threads and elsewhere have been spewing a geyser of poison at Obama ever since it looked like he had a chance at the nomination. Give us a break. We’ve had disastrous leadership for eight years, during which time we’ve alienated much of the world by launching an immoral war that’s slaughtered thousands and put our economy in the toilet. Why don’t we let someone with different ideas at least give it a try? I DON’T want to be in Iraq another 100 days, let alone another 100 years!</p>
<p>Poetsheart:“Oh, so you “had to have been there”, huh, Spidey? Well, since you were—Uh, I mean, know someone who knew someone who read it in a blog—why don’t you prove that Michele Obama’s words were a slam against Hillary Clinton? Anything objective and rational will do—an actual video link—you, know—so we can all witness this irrefutable “body language and tone of speech” would be a good start. That we should “take your word for it” against the actual words that came out of Michele Obama’s mouth is just not gonna cut it.”</p>
<p>It must be very frustrating not to able to control other people’s opinions. If only you could sit every person down who interpreted MO’s statements that way, you know, all at once, it would be so much easier than trying to take it person by person. How dare someone not accept your spin. Yes, the audacity of hope that everyone will drink the Kool-Aid, and the anger which bubbles to the surface when someone refuses to do so.</p>
<p>HINDOO: “Do you consider it “smearing” McCain to utter his name in the same sentence as Bush’s?”</p>
<p>You must have missed my point.</p>
<p>HINDOO: “And do you believe that the “smearing” of Obama has not yet started?”</p>
<p>Yes, HINDOO, I believe the smearing against Obama has started.</p>
<p>Must have. What was it?</p>
<p>“I believe he’s a decent man, who happens to hold some views I disagree strongly with. When I say he’d offer a “third Bush term,” I’m thinking of two areas that really worry me–Iraq and the Supreme Court.”</p>
<p>You’re reading my mind. Except that I’d expand the second issue to Article III courts in general, not just the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>spideygirl–why do you put my name in all caps? It scares me. It’s like you’re yelling at me … Wah!</p>
<p>HINDOO: “We’ve had disastrous leadership for eight years, during which time we’ve alienated much of the world by launching an immoral war that’s slaughtered thousands and put our economy in the toilet”</p>
<p>We’ll if that isn’t the left wing script!</p>
<p>We’ll see how history treats President Bush - he certainly doesn’t have a chance against the WALL OF SMEAR that has been launched against him for the past 8 years by Hollywood, the music industry, and the left.</p>
<p>Somehow all of those attacks against the US during the Clinton terms go by unnoticed, and the fact that soon after Bush came into office the towers went down (which had been planned for years under Clinton, and which had to be responded to initially with a completely depleted armed forces).</p>
<p>Part of the reason we have alienated some other nations is that the leftist American media wags that dog as well. </p>
<p>I really don’t agree that the Iraq war is immoral. Giving that country the opportunity for democracy is a priceless gift, and it is a critical goal for the future of the region. Had we entered Germany too soon, you would have called that war immoral as well. But just imagine how many lives would have been saved.</p>
<p>As far as our economy being in the toilet goes, that really is evidence of drinking the Kool-Aid. Yes, the sky is falling, we are in a depression, there are hardly any polar caps left, polar bears are are standing in bread lines, and all of that. Please, Obama, save us!</p>
<p>Hindoo - is that better? I don’t know why I put it all in caps - I guess I just liked typing it that way. :)</p>
<p>There isn’t a right wing script? … And I don’t drink Kool-Aid. Maybe a little wine … but not until later. … As for how history treats Bush in light of the Wall of Smear, I know plenty of intelligent Republicans who are just as appalled as I am by what he has done to our country. You’re right, he doesn’t have a chance–nor does he deserve one. He’ll go down in history as one of the two or three worst presidents ever.</p>
<p>That’s OK spidey. I knew you weren’t really mad at me–just annoyed.</p>
<p>Actually, I’m not even annoyed. Not at all. I’m sitting here in my spidey suit, with my red boots up on my desk, drinking a cup of spidey coffee. Debates are fun for me - they don’t annoy me.</p>
<p>That’s good, because I’m enjoying this one! (But what is spidey coffee?)</p>
<p>You know what does annoy me? When I spill coffee on my spidey suit right after it has been cleaned.</p>
<p>That is regular coffee, when it is being consumed by Spideygirl.</p>
<p>Now we’re both going to get on the nerves of our fellow CC-ers!</p>
<p>You are correct. We finally agree!</p>