<p>Please, MO knew what she was doing with the “house in order” comment. Just like the Tennessee GOP knew what it was doing in 04 when it ran an add with black democrat with his white wife. You don’t have to say it for people to know what you’re talking about. The idiocracy on this board, and peoples unwillingness to concede points when it’s obvious they’re wrong…just so they can stick it to the person of the other party is embarassing. Seriously guys, admit when you’re arguing a useless point. MO just happened to mention being able to keep your house in order to be a necessary condition for the white house? Who’s her husband running against. Oh yes, a woman who’s husband cheated on her. Must be mere coincidence that she used those words? You guys are either incredibly naive or incredibly partisan.</p>
<p>Laxattack09 - more straining at gnats, swallowing of camels? Michelle Obama makes a simple, unexceptional comment about how she and her husband arrange their schedules so as to be able to take care of their kids, because family is important to them, and you are able to read her mind, and project a hidden meaning – she’s really talking about Bill Clinton’s sex life! You pluck a part of a sentence totally out of context, and you just know that she was sending secret signals with the choice of words she used.</p>
<p>How many times do your think Michelle Obama has been interviewed? How many thousands of unremarkable comments did they have to sift through before they could find anything that even the appallingly gullible could manage to twist into something that is nowhere near what she was talking about? </p>
<p>Pathetic. Simply pathetic.</p>
<p>I am glad I am not the only one who think an Obama presidency could be like the Carter presidency, not a certainty but a chance. Both ran on “change”, and President Carter is a very decent man as I am sure Obama is.</p>
<p>Seriously, you guys. Have you ever considered a little Googling to check up on the true facts behind the lies you’re fed day in and day out? I posted a link to a site with the text of Michelle Obama’s comments two days and 28 posts ago - and apparently you couldn’t even take the effort to click on the link.</p>
<p>MO never even used the expression “keep your house in order.” Frankly, reading some of the goofy right wing posts here on CC helps me understand how we could have elected Republicans so often over the past 30 years: people are apparently really easy to lie to successfully. How many times have I done 5 minutes of Googling and discovered that people posting here were repeating demonstrably false disinformation? And the the same people do it again and again. What are you thinking, folks?</p>
<p>KLUGE: </p>
<p>Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.</p>
<p>However, I saw the footage of MO making that quote. Tone and body language is a very big part of human communication in most instances. Posting a quote, in this case, does not refute my point. It was clear to me, and to many other people who watched and heard her speak, that she made a direct hit on Hillary Clinton. Her tone was right there. We all know when we see and hear another person making a dig - sometimes it is just clear. This was one of those times. However, if you are a fan of MO’s, nothing I say will convince you. You might want to visit a local high school to study how adept women can be at saying one thing, yet with tone and body language meaning something completely (and clearly) different. Only a person who was naive, or who wanted to contribute to a PR clean-up, would have claimed to see it otherwise.</p>
<p>BTW, I have nothing against Michelle Obama, and I am not voting for Hillary Clinton. It is still important to speak honestly about what I saw and heard.</p>
<p>And no, Tyler09, Spidey girl was not caught.</p>
<p>The whole point of throwing mud at someone is not to get any on yourself, and tucking her remark into a thinly veiled discussion of family life was the least MO could do to be a competent politico. Let’s remember that this is a highly intelligent, educated woman. She is no dummy - she knew exactly what she was saying.</p>
<p>People there described a shock of silence at her remark, so up close and personal some of the people who saw it agree with me.</p>
<p>MUNCHKIN: I do agree that Obama seems like a very decent man. I mean, politicians are not saints, but Carter and Obama seem cut from the same cloth. Obama is WAY more dynamic, however. He really has star quality. Both men suffer from blind idealism. There is the way they would like the world to be, and then there is the way it actually is. In Carter’s time, that meant that he pretty much accomplished nothing (unless you count weakening our country in a way which set us up for the problem we had with terrorism). In today’s time, the result can be way more dangerous.</p>
<p>I read in the NY Times the other day that she wasn’t happy with all the time Obama spent away from her and the kids when he was running for office in Ilinois. Does she honestly think he’ll be home for din every night as Prez?</p>
<p>I’m fairly sure that Michelle Obama said the words quoted in post 139 in a speech in my city where the media weren’t allowed in. I was there, and when she made those statements, I did not interpret her meaning to refer to the Clintons. I thought she was referring to how the Obamas have been planning their life to take care of their kids’ needs while also campaigning.</p>
<p>So how does this secret code signal business work? If Michelle Obama blinks two times, does that mean she’s covertly referring to Hillary?</p>
<p>Clearly, some people have too much imagination and too little common sense. Reminds me of the woman who sued David Letterman for sending her secret mind rays from his show. I guess she was onto something :P</p>
<p>dke:</p>
<p>Running for office entails a lot more absences from home than being in office. So if and when Obama is president, I’d expect him to be in D.C. a lot more often than he has been this past year.</p>
<p>Let’s recap. Spideygirl said:
I responded with a quote of MO’s comments, which demonstrate that she was making entirely routine candidates-wife type comments about adjusting their schedules while Barack was campaigning to make sure their daughters are tucked inat night by mom. Didn’t say Hillary “can’t keep her house in order.” Wasn’t talking about philandering husbands. Just talking about valuing family and making adjustments to honor parental obligations to their kids - “running your household.” Ooh - big time political mudslinging, right? :rolleyes: But Spideygirl isn’t about to let boring old reality get in the way of a good hissing match, so she bravely soldiers on:
Actually, the only footage that has been shown was that of a single sentence, taken completely out of context. I’ve seen it.
Actually, it does. Seeing the full context of MO’s comments makes it clear what she was talking about and removes the ambiguity injected into them by people desperately seeking controversy where none existed by taking a part of a sentence out of context and stridently insisting it was a secret, code-word “swipe.” In fact, the “swipe” was nothing but a slow news day media creation. You’ve been played by the media like a big, fat, trout. You even adopted the misquote “keep her house in order.”
I’m sorry, but that’s just laughable. All you’ve seen is the same, one-sentence clip that I’ve seen. Everything you’ve read into it is your own projection. And you have no idea what the “many people who saw her speak” that day at the fairgrounds in Iowa thought, because no one has ever even claimed to have reported on that. (Not surprising, since it was a totally phony controversy, manufactured after the fact.)
Which “people?” Do you have a source for this claim? I find no support for it anywhere. </p>
<p>People: have your opinions - that’s fine. But try not to completely lose your grip on reality as you’re being spun by the bloggers and the mass media. Check stuff out. And don’t try so hard to pound the square peg of reality into the round hole of your preconceptions, as Spideygirl has done here. Want to hate on Michelle Obama? Have at it. But check your facts and don’t rely on media spin and fantasy projections. Google is your friend.</p>
<p>So Michele Obama’s rather exhaustive preamble to the conclusion that: “We’re in this race for not just our children, but all of our children.”—is actually a slam against Hillary Clinton, is actually a smear job, conveyed entirely with “body language and tone” (My God, what a talented woman!) against Hillary’s inability to control her philandering husband…</p>
<p>I see…:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Marite, so you think that running for Senator in Illinois would take up more time away from family than being President? I’m not too sure about that. Maybe physically he’ll be in DC but his time is going to be taken up with alot more than Michelle and the kids, IMHO.</p>
<p>MO is her H’s own worst enemy in this campaign, just as Hillary’s H was her own worst enemy in this campaign. Obama has come out and said that he doesn’t think it is fair to go after the families of the candidates. I guess he wasn’t thinking about Chelsea, however, just his family? I don’t understand why it is not appropriate to analyze her words when Obama sends her out as his ambassador on the campaign trail. She purports to speak for him, so she is fair game. After hearing the Rev. Wright sermons, and comparing her statements to those, I believe she was in the pew (alone, apparently) and bought into his statements. That is something I want to know about the future President and how he and his family believe. If he married her, he has to repsect her opinions, especially since his staff is vetting her. So, by extension, I now must balance how much if attributable solely to her, and how much to him. I need that information in order to make an informed decision before I cast my vote. I still don’t know who will receive my vote, and I am very frustrated because, quite frankly, I am not very happy with any of the candidates.</p>
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“Fair” game is one thing, but ascribing ludicrous “secret” meanings to routine comments about life on the campaign trail is anything but “fair” play. That’s not “analyzing”, it’s “fabricating.”
There is actually no rational reason to form this opinion. Seriously. The fact that you have done so speaks to your predisposition to believe some things, but nothing about the actual beliefs (or church presence) of Michelle Obama.
I actually doubt that. Your ability to project beliefs onto the Obamas based on nothing but media spin and blog bile suggests that you’re more interested in finding excuses for the preconceptions you have about them than about finding out what they really believe.</p>
<p>And just when was it that Obama “went after” Chelsea Clinton? Or was that just a random shot, based on nothing?</p>
<p>Northstarmom: “I did not interpret her meaning to refer to the Clintons. I thought she was referring to how the Obamas have been planning their life to take care of their kids’ needs while also campaigning.”</p>
<p>Then you are not a part of the reaction described by others who were there. Not surprising, since you are obviously a fan.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think it is demeaning to Michelle Obama for her husband to come out in her defense. Beyond the fact that it is ridiculous because she does wax political, this is a woman who can take care of herself.</p>
<p>I like how it’s “crazy” to think that the MO comment was directed towards Clinton yet 100% OK to think that the Bush comment was directed towards Obama.</p>
<p>Neither of them mentioned names but anybody who isn’t a partisan hack (which may be a stretch for some on this board) realizes the goal of both comments.</p>
<p>KLUGE: “Actually, it does. Seeing the full context of MO’s comments makes it clear”</p>
<p>It makes nothing clear in terms of supporting your weak argument. MANY, MANY people saw the clip. Many saw clearly that it was a slight against Clinton. </p>
<p>Choose otherwise according to your bias toward the candidate of your choice, if you wish, but it just goes to show you that you can’t fool all of the people, all of the time.</p>
<p>Michelle Obama, preamble or not, did a ready, aim, fire at the Achilles Heel of Hillary Clinton. Perfectly executed.</p>
<p>This is not a disorganized, impulsive woman who would not have understood that it would be taken exactly as it was. Direct hit.</p>