The (a-hem) Surge is Working!

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<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_counting_the_dead[/url]”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070825/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_counting_the_dead&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Yup. Baghdad deaths are double what they were last July; elsewhere in the country, much more than double, despite the buildup of hostile, aggressive occupiers. The number of refugees almost tripled.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, where are the benchmarks for the occupiers? How much more electricity is being produced? How much more oil? What are hospital mortality rates? Malnutrition rates? How many new institutions of higher learning have opened? How many independent book publishers? I mean in the middle of this the occupiers have contracted for the world’s largest U.S. Embassy, 21 stories high - and these are the “liberators”?</p>

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<p>The death rates have to start falling eventually. The cities are emptying out quickly.</p>

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<p>What is extraordinary to me is the discipline among the two million Iraqi refugees who have been forced to flee to Syria, Jordan, and Iran.</p>

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<p>Apparently Iraq has double the number of internal refugees since before the surge.</p>

<p>ETA: never mind mini covered that too</p>

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<p>CIC makes the decision. All opinions are not relevant and therefore, ‘why bother’.</p>

<p>as, mini, quoted before,

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<p>At what time do we say we can’t stay the course anymore? When almost everyone is dead?</p>

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<p>Pulling out and letting death squads and terrorists run the country seems like a much better option…</p>

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<p>Once the U.S. suicide death squads are gone ("if we don’t have them there, they’ll be shooting at us here), things will be different. Not necessarily better, nor necessarily worse, but different. </p>

<p>Being responsible for between 1.2 and 1.7 million deaths, having committed genocide and killed half a million children, having created two million external refugees (while accepting precisely 700 into their own country), and 1.2 million internal refugees, the hostile, aggressive occupiers have no moral authority even to consider what is the better option for the occupied. </p>

<p>Best thing the occupiers can do is get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness, and provide reparations in tens of billions for the next 20 yeras.</p>

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<p>us soldiers =/= us suicide death squads…do they teach logic upin olympia? I’m sure you have links for all these statistics you are providing right? </p>

<p>On a side note, WWII would never have been won if everyone followed your beliefs and “logic” (I use that term very loosely)</p>

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<p>The citation is from Republican consultant and pollster Dick Morris who said, "on national tv, “e need to have our troops in Iraq to be shot at there, so that we won’t be shot at here.”</p>

<p>If you’ve got an issue with it, take it up with the Republicans.</p>

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<p>Sigh, you failed to grasp my point…</p>

<p>However, citing a republican leader voicing opinion against the war isn’t anything special…it’s called anecdotal evidence. Perhaps you should look into what Sen Lieberman is saying…see…I can play that game as well.</p>

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<p>Even Sadaam Hussein is rolling over in his grave at what has become of Iraq…</p>

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<p>WWII was won in less time than we have been blundering around in Iraq.</p>

<p>WWII would never have been won if the war planners had been as incompetent as the Bush administration and the thinktankers at the AEI.</p>

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<p>Like Viet Nam, the Iraq war cannont be compared with a conventional war like WW2. We defeated the Iraq government long ago but fignting continues because we are now in the midst of a civil war whose hostilites are directed at both internal factions, the general population and the occupying American forces. And add to the quagmire no functioning national government.</p>

<p>Anyone who believes that 30,000 additional American troops can turn the situation around is as looney as our stubborn CinC.</p>

<p>And need I remind anyone the the only Congressman who has a son or daughter in Iraq is the jr Senator from Virginia who himself has served in the Army and sees this war for what it is.</p>

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<p>The comparisons to WWII miss one very important point. The Iraq occupation is not in our best interests–it works against them, as Reagan’s national security advisor pointed out. </p>

<p>You simply cannot “win” a conflict that’s against your best interests–it’s like trying to add value to your home by beating on the outside with a sledgehammer. Increasing global terrorism will NOT suddenly and magically become a good thing if we just do it long enough.</p>

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Don’t read the papers much, do you? Lieberman is an Independent, not a Democrat. He lost the primary - because of his support of Bush’s war.</p>

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<p>“Lieberman is an Independent” senator from Israel.</p>

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<p>Senator John McCain’s son Jack currently attends the Naval Academy and his son Jimmy, an enlisted Marine, will be deployed for active duty to Iraq by the end of summer.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/family-fatherhood/How_Do_You_Send_a_Son_to_War.shtml[/url]”>http://www.bestlifeonline.com/cms/publish/family-fatherhood/How_Do_You_Send_a_Son_to_War.shtml&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Irag is an important profit center for many of our key corporations and as long as my children aren’t required to go fight there, who cares?</p>

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<p>I thought young McCain was over there already. Originolong is indeed correct in her statement that Webb is the only Senator with a son there. </p>

<p>Too bad more Americans don’t have a concrete personal stake in Iraq. If anyone told one of the pro-occupation, anti-benchmark crowd to hit his house with a sledgehammer till the value increased, he’d be aghast.</p>

<p>But so long as it’s only abstract things like our national security being hurt or kids they never heard of from rural areas earning less than the median income dying, they’re willing to believe that increasing global terrorism will someday be in our best interests if we simply do it long enough.</p>