<p>Thanks LakeWashington! It’s still not listed on the home page:
<a href=“http://www.cbs.com/”>http://www.cbs.com/</a>
but it’s on the full schedule!</p>
<p>Is it 8:30 eastern time? Don’t want to be an hour late again. </p>
<p>Yes, Eastern time.</p>
<p>Still LOL at Goldenpooch’s assertion - said with so much confidence! - that “Without Lennon, there would have been no Sgt Pepper.” That’s like saying “The Beatles’ success hinged on Ringo’s vocals.” </p>
<p>Lennon’s contributions to Sgt Pepper were Lucy, Good Morning Good Morning, and the first half of A Day in the Life. For A Day in the Life, John was responsible for the first part (“I read the news today, oh boy …”) and Paul was responsible for the second part (“Woke up, fell out of bed”). The orchestral bridge with the crescendo – which was a big avant-garde happening and super-cutting-edge in its day – was the doing of Paul and George Martin. </p>
<p>BTW, Goldenpooch, for extra brownie points, the Monkees and Beatles were actually friendly with one another. There was a Monkees song that has the line in it “The four kings of EMI were sitting stately on the floor,” which refers to when the Monkees visited the Beatles and of course the Beatles were the “four kings of EMI” because they brought so much money in. I’m telling you, you do not want to mess with me on Beatles history 
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<p>Ringo has been touring most years with his all-stars for I can’t remember how long. His son Zak played with him before he joined Townsend and Daltry. The act we saw on TV is Ringo’s act, down to the sing-along Yellow Submarine. His voice is strong and, since he never had any range, he hasn’t lost any. </p>
<p>BTW, if you want to hear an interesting record, look up Ringo’s Y Not. It includes The Other Side of Liverpool about the friends who helped him make it through a very difficult young life. </p>
<p>To me musically, Paul’s performances over the years tend to be rhythmically sloppy while Ringo’s tend to be rhythmically solid but not varied enough. That speaks to the way The Beatles drew on each player’s strengths. I remember the story about Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da, that they’d been working on the song for 3 days, which was a long time for them - and remember, they mostly worked at night - and John came in half-drunk, went to the piano and banged out the tempo saying something like “this is how the bleeping song goes”. Paul’s inventiveness put into the exact right frame. </p>
<p>I firmly believe they continued to write exactly the same songs, except without each other’s strengths they couldn’t produce them to the level of The Beatles. John’s solo work needs Paul’s light invention in arrangement and Ringo’s perfectly appropriate fills and George’s emotional tonality. And Silly Love Songs would have been a classic if John had laughed at Paul’s disco arrangement and together they’d turned it into something heavy and light all at once. </p>
<p>If I recall properly, didn’t Paul play drums on Back in the USSR? </p>
<p>Back in the USSR and Birthday also seem to count as Paul-rockers.</p>
<p>In fairness to the bad review, the tribute artist performances, as a whole, were a pretty tepid brew, considering the quality of the Beatles songbook and how many insanely creative covers have been done. I supposed it’s a reflection of the music industry. That was a Grammy/big label soiree and there’s not much in the Grammy/big label music industry right now. Better Katy Perry than Justin Beiber.</p>
<p>When John was asked if Ringo was the " best" drummer in the world, he quipped " Ringo isnt even the best drummer in * The Beatles*
Badabing.
We saw Sir Paul at Safeco last summer.
He played for three hrs if I remember right. I sat down more than McCartney did. ( although I was recovering from knee surgery & he is a lifelong practitioner of yoga)
My H ranked it in his top three shows of all time.
<a href=“Watch the surviving members of Nirvana perform with Paul McCartney at Safeco Field - Guerrilla Candy”>http://www.guerrillacandy.com/2013/07/22/watch-the-surviving-members-of-nirvana-perform-with-paul-mccartney-at-safeco-field/</a></p>
<p>Stevie Wonder’s sort of Stevie Wonder so you can’t not like him. </p>
<p>I did like the Imagine Dragons’ re-interpretation of Revolution. And I thought Alicia Keys and John Legend did a nice job with Let It Be. I was glad to see Hey Bulldog get some love. I like the Eurythmics / Annie Lennox, but didn’t care for their rendition of Fool on the Hill (which, to be fair, is a hard song to re-interpret) and I didn’t think that the Eurythmics were <em>so</em> important that their “reunion” was any kind of story. Besides, Fool on the Hill will always be Paul McCartney singing on a mountaintop in France. </p>
<p>For extra Beatle bonus points, at the end of Helter Skelter when it all sort of descends into musical anarchy, what guitar riff does George play that foreshadows what would become one of his biggest solo hits?
I tell you, I could do this all day </p>
<p>The thing with John is - if he really were just that smart, cheeky, witty guy as he portrayed himself in the early Beatles days – what’s not to love? It’s just that the cheekiness and wit falls flat when you learn what kind of a person he really was. How he made fun of the disabled people who came to their shows. How he treated his first wife and was abominable to his son. And all these people seem to think he’s St. John of Imagine. It’s a real tragedy. He was singing Imagine as the same time he was having nothing to do with Julian. It’s no accident that Julian Lennon considers Paul more his father than John ever was. Read Cynthia Lennon’s book. It’s really quite sad. Such a musical genius, with such a tortured soul. </p>
<p>Pizzagirl…I’ll take a stab and say “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”.</p>
<p>Excellent guess - but While My Guitar Gently Weeps is on the same album (White Album) as Helter Skelter, and was a Beatles work, not a GH solo work. The answer is – My Sweet Lord. You can hear the distinctive guitar sound that would later become MSL at the very end of Helter Skelter. </p>
<p>In terms of performances, I thought most were safe and thus uninspiring. Imagine Dragons had the guts to do their own arrangement, but with nearly all the others they did essentially The Beatles’ arrangements but of course not as well. I thought While My Guitar Gently Weeps worked well because Joe Walsh kept to the tempo and the band as a whole, particularly Dave Grohl on drums, let it out and went for it instead of being safe. But then Grohl is a terrific drummer. </p>
<p>They’re all imperfect people. John had a lot of issues but he was also a valiant voice for peace and goodness. I remember him speaking from a bag in a bed - bagism! - because he said he’d be as much of a fool as it took to end the War. Yoko brought out that side of him, something which had been happening as moved away from what she has called his hyper male Liverpool roots. The guy who wrote I am the Walrus was not the same guy who wrote Girl, a song he regretted for its sexism. </p>
<p>As to what John would say about Ringo, that was maybe mean and maybe teasing and probably both. They used to get on him a lot and Ringo did walk away from the White Album sessions, leaving Paul to play drums on a few songs. I’ve heard Ringo describe Paul’s drumming as “Paul thinks he can play drums”. We can never know the dynamic of what went on between them. </p>
<p>Ringo’s drumming is criticized stupidly. He can’t do a lot of technical things - like smooth rolls. He’s spoken about this at great length. He learned how to play backwards and has always played as a left-hander with a right hand drum kit. His time keeping isn’t exact but instead breathes slightly with the music - sometimes in the pocket, sometimes late, occasionally early - which speaks volumes because the truth is he was the most creative percussionist in rock music. Still is. The drum tracks after the earliest recordings, not counting the minor instruments like tambourine or shaker that someone else would play, aren’t standard drum tracks at all. No other drummer could do that. The Beatles music would have died if he just kept time and hit on 1 and 3 or something like that. </p>
<p>Compare another drummer, Keith Moon. Moonie was almost self-taught, but oddly he had to re-teach himself how to play when he wouldn’t practice. He had to become that guy who had to tie his kit together and nail it to the risers. He was terrible as a technical drummer because he refused to play like that but The Who was the best live act in rock history. Just watch the performances with Moon listening to Townsend and Entwhistle working with them both. No one else could hit all those pieces of the kit in such astounding sense - maybe Buddy Rich, but that’s it. When Moon died, Townsend said he needed an entire horn section and keyboards plus drums to replace the space Moon took in the arrangements. Dig out A Quick One While He’s Away and see how Moon goes from the most subtle to overdrive. There has never been more excitement emanating from a band. </p>
<p>Neither guy had Ginger Baker’s skills. But both were better, which is saying something.</p>
<p>My son is a drummer and his drum teacher plays in a very good Beatles tribute band. I can remember my son commenting on how difficult it was to play Beatles songs correctly because Ringo was so unconventional. He is a far better musician than most give him credit for…</p>
<p>I always thought it odd that John Lennon spoke so often about “love” all the while appearing to be a huge sourpuss much of the time. I think Julian Lennon loves his father, but still has some issues with how he was treated.</p>
<p>“I firmly believe they continued to write exactly the same songs, except without each other’s strengths they couldn’t produce them to the level of The Beatles. John’s solo work needs Paul’s light invention in arrangement and Ringo’s perfectly appropriate fills and George’s emotional tonality. And Silly Love Songs would have been a classic if John had laughed at Paul’s disco arrangement and together they’d turned it into something heavy and light all at once.”</p>
<p>Agree </p>
<p>Julian Lennon <em>should</em> have issues with how he was treated. No one wants to acknowledge that the same man who was singing such beautiful sentiments in Imagine – about peace, and love, and understanding, and all that – was a grade A jerk to his son. He wasn’t named in John’s will and it took years for Yoko to hand over a dime. Moreover, Yoko didn’t allow him to have any of John’s personal possessions (like letters) and so he had to go to auction houses to buy back things like postcards his father sent him. Good going. So much for peace, love and understanding. Anyway, who are we kidding? John was never really any kind of peace activist in any real sense of the word. He’s just been deified because of the horrible circumstances of his death.</p>
<p>As for the John comment about “he’s not even the best drummer in the Beatles,” that’s clearly John’s sly wit. You can picture him saying that, and it’s funny. </p>
<p>Ringo was skilled, but moreover, he knew enough about how to complement the rest of them that he didn’t need to be a showman on the drums. Indeed, his skill was knowing how to accent without taking over. It’s notable that he didn’t really have a drum solo til The End (which was quite fitting). They couldn’t have been the band they were without him. It takes a lot of talent not to succumb to being just a show-off drummer. </p>
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<p>Yeah, I read that Julian voiced his bitterness about that at the time. I don’t blame him. Yoko Ono had plenty of money. I can’t believe she would do that to Julian, but apparently she did. It must have hurt Julian very deeply to see/know how precious Sean was to John, at the same time feeling like the cast off.</p>
<p>Julian Lennon <em>should</em> have issues with how he was treated. No one wants to acknowledge that the same man who was singing such beautiful sentiments in Imagine – about peace, and love, and understanding, and all that – was a grade A jerk to his son. He wasn’t named in John’s will and it took years for Yoko to hand over a dime. Moreover, Yoko didn’t allow him to have any of John’s personal possessions (like letters) and so he had to go to auction houses to buy back things like postcards his father sent him. Good going. So much for peace, love and understanding. Anyway, who are we kidding? John was never really any kind of peace activist in any real sense of the word. He’s just been deified because of the horrible circumstances of his death.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>></p>
<p>Couple of ■■■■■■■■, IMO. </p>