<p>Pardon me mini. “According to the press and
Clintons’ Obama had no plans two weeks ago.”</p>
<p>NSM, I really hated RR as well. I could never understand the appeal and McCain’s voice unfortunately reminds me of those days…ugh…</p>
<p>In fact, I was 13 when I was last inspired by a presidential candidate and went to the Cow Palace in SF to see JFK. Imagine, 13. I even went door to door in my very conservative community handing out fliers. Got doors slammed in my face and that set me on the path that I am still treading. Though, I prefer Hillary, I understand the excitement of Obama. It is awakening in me something that I thought was long ago dead.</p>
<p>Felix12: The press and Clintons probably didn’t know how to log on to his website. Plenty of details there which I downloaded and studied, by the way. </p>
<p>Besides, I really agree with Obama when he says that there is no shortage of great ideas and plans in this country. But the problem in the country is that those ideas and plans go to Washington and die. His big plan is to put the lobbyists and partisans out of business and then allow the great ideas and plans to succeed. </p>
<p>I’m totally with mini on this- it is easy, every easy to propose solutions to problems and also give dollar signs that add up.</p>
<p>I’m kind of amused by this complaint that Obama is vague, and we don’t know what he would do as President. What recent president has actually done what he said he would do while campaigning? Most of them have often done the opposite of what they would do (i.e., be a “uniter” not a “divider,” not be a “nation-builder”, “read my lips, no new taxes,” etc.) Both Democrats and Republican candidates made all kinds of promises to voter groups that they never really tried to carry through on. With that track record, I’m primarily looking for a candidate who seems intelligent and competent, and whose overall views are similar to my own.</p>
<p>“He has had HUGE numbers of plans, very detailed, for more than six months. Way too many. All you had to do was read 'em.”</p>
<p>Mini and Vicarious are right. The information has been there in detail for a long time. I’ve read it, myself. Senator Obama even lets republicans view his website, how’s that for inclusion. Gosh, I’m such a nazi expecting people to seek out publicly-available information for themselves.</p>
<p>Wonderful! We seem to acknowledge Obama MAY be a Renaissance Man. Couldn’t be a better time for one!</p>
<p>Creepier: This from the Dallas Morning News Blog on the Obama rally in Dallas yesterday: “the weird phase: “BARACK OBAMA, IN JESUS’ NAME, YES WE CAN”. as if we were brought there to witness the arrival of the chosen one.” </p>
<p>Creepy! People need to stop eating the donuts they are passing out before the rallys.</p>
<p>Two good articles in Western NY papers yesterday about this, one by Cal Thomas, the other by a SUNY Stonybrook professor. The latter has a great analogy with what we New Yorkers have had with Elliot Spitzer.</p>
<p>[CAL</a> THOMAS: Obama’s ‘Hope’ Is Really Snake Oil : Syndicated Columnists : Kitsap Sun](<a href=“http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/feb/20/cal-thomas-obamas-145hope-is-really-snake-oil/]CAL”>http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2008/feb/20/cal-thomas-obamas-145hope-is-really-snake-oil/)</p>
<p>[Obama</a> sounds good, but words aren’t enough – Newsday.com](<a href=“http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opklu155577880feb15,0,102266.column]Obama”>Newsday | Long Island's & NYC's News Source - Newsday)</p>
<p>^ Anti-Obama editorials from NY Clinton <em>supporters</em>? Now there’s a shock. ;)</p>
<p>It would be interesting to know how many of the political operatives who assist in campaigns are hired guns by the same process defense attorneys are hired, and how many are totally committed by faith and choice, not just by who offered to pay them to work their craft. I have no idea how it all works, but these folks are professionals, hired to do a job, give advice, advance a campaign, etc., and they have hopes beyond the election. Just a thought…</p>
<p>lorelei: Many are paid - paid very well. This is a big ‘thing’ for them. They make their living consulting with candidates of other offices. Some work for future payoffs.</p>
<p>Seattle PI ain’t buying it.</p>
<p>[Seattle</a> Post-Intelligencer: David Horsey](<a href=“http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1714]Seattle”>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/print.asp?id=1714)</p>
<p>LOL…thanks, barrons!</p>
<p>Did anyone see Kinky Friedman (I know) last night? He calls Obama the “Irish lad” (O’Bama). That so tickles my funnybone.</p>
<p>The suspense is over. The youngest superdelegate who was courted by Chelsea (and called by Bill Clinton) is supporting Obama. Maybe he had to pay for the coffee?</p>
<p>[CNN</a> Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Superdelegate schmoozed by Chelsea backs Obama « - Blogs from CNN.com](<a href=“http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/superdelegate-schmoozed-by-chelsea-backs-obama/]CNN”>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/21/superdelegate-schmoozed-by-chelsea-backs-obama/)</p>
<p>What the heck gets into you people who are so vitriolic about Hillary Clinton? You don’t have to like her, you don’t have to agree with her, you don’t have to vote for her, but why does the middle school girl viciousness come out? If you want to debate facts and/or politics related to Clinton (or anyone, for that matter), go for it, but please lose the immature diatribes that are neither based in fact nor reflect admirably on the sensibilities of otherwise intelligent Americans. And on a high-level college web site, no less! Please demand more of yourselves.</p>
<p>“Please demand more of yourselves.”</p>
<p>Please get over your self.</p>
<p>kmh2078- I looked over this thread - "The Cult of Obama-pretty carefully, and for the life of me, can’t find any viciousness toward Hillary Clinton.
Lots of Obama pummeling, though. What am I missing?</p>
<p>While I am passionate about Obama, and hope he wins the nomination (and election), I have never said anything negative about Hillary. For me, it’s a preference of leadership style. If Hillary were to win, I would support her. </p>
<p>As far as the pummeling, I think it has gone on on both sides of the fence. Of course I’m biased and think more has been directed toward Obama (the pictures today showing up on Drudge, Larry Sinclair, etc.), but I’m sure those who support Hillary think she has been smeared more. It’s all perspective and relative.</p>
<p>Must resist hope. Must resist idea of better America. Must not give in to better nature.</p>
<p>Best not to try. Hope only leads to disappointment.</p>